On 16 May 2011 22:46, Tobias Oelgarte <tobias.oelgarte(a)googlemail.com
<mailto:tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Do it in your freetime and not at work?
Such a simplistic and ignorant response, I just pointed out for GLAMs
to contribute the people doing it are at work its part of their work.
Am 16.05.2011 16:43, schrieb Gnangarra:
Tobias
Please explain how does one participate when their employment
contract specifically states that viewing of sexually explicit
material over the internet is a dismissable offense.
The issue isnt hosting the image its about where its displayed.
On 16 May 2011 22:32, Tobias Oelgarte
<tobias.oelgarte(a)googlemail.com
<mailto:tobias.oelgarte@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Just logged in, so please bear with the possible wrong entry
place.
I strongly disagree with the removal. Not because that it is
an image
that i created. Because this is some kind of censorship, that
goes
strictly against the aims of the project itself. Some topics
are fine
and anybody can laugh about them, for some topics nobody
cares and some
topics causing confusion, hate and are a general nuisance.
The later
mostly because of misunderstanding and lack of knowledge.
But which kind of world will we describe? The world how it is
- the
truth? Or do we want to select some mild topics and enjoy
little bunnies
on a field with dozens of flowers, while one house away bombs
fall and
the doughters of the family begging for money? Isn't it a bit
ridiculous
to select topics and to show only the bright sides?
Im just wondering why illustrations of war machines are ok, while
anything that is related to sexual nature is considerd as
evil. Some
saying that they couldn't tell there children what such
images are
about. But what about a picture of a gun? Can you explain to your
children, why people kill each other? You should and could at
least try
to explain. The earilier the better. Kids have an open mind,
that i miss
so much in this project.
Reading the words of Sarah Stierch, someone could assume that
a picture
of a naked male is fine. Do we get more female contributers
by treating
them as some special, out of the oridinary? At the last
meetings in
Germany i met several women, most complaining about this
rather "useless
campaing", that they even found "discriminating".
Back to the topic itself. Did you even know, that half of the
mangaka
are females? Works like "Kodomo no Jikan" are written by
female authors.
Sexuality is a primary topic. No one could life without it.
Depictions
of sexuallity are known for thousands of years. And that is
the point
where i start wondering. While old works are seen as
something relevant,
new works aren't. Why not? They are from our time. In the
time we life.
Sorry for my English. But English isn't my main language.
Tobias Oelgarte
Am 16.05.2011 16:24, schrieb Chris McKenna:
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
> The image is also not artistically, historically, or
culturally
significant,
unlike
all the other examples you cited.
Please cite your sources for the (lack of)
artistic,
historic, or cultural
significance for this image and all the other
examples cited.
> The only reason it's featured is
> because it's sexually arousing to anime fanboys who happen
to
dominate the
culture
of Wikimedia Commons.
Citation needed for a /very/ offensive remark.
I don't need to crawl into a semantic
rabbit-hole to defend this observation.
Why? Please be objective, preferably
include references to
reliable
sources.
> I think its obvious to any
> reasonable person. If the image would be embarrassing to
pull up in
front of
> a classful of students, it shouldn't be
on the Commons
Main Page.
Please define "reasonable person" in an
objective,
culturally neutral way.
Please list an objective set of culturally
neutral criteria
that would
allow any image to be safely displayed to any
given group
of people in a
way that does not introduce censorship or
cultural bias.
"Not censored" means just that. If you aren't happy that
some images that
offend you (or you find offensive on others'
behalf) might
be displayed
then you should not use Wikimedia Commons.
Chris
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