Galleries need to be encouraged to higher degree, these galleries work well
as a guide but also as a way for potential contributors to identify areas
where theres a short fall in available media.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Banksia --- which then links to the
species categories directly
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Western_Australia then steps down to;
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Perth,_Western_Australia
What about a bot reading descriptions identifying keywords then adding it to
those categories as a way to reduce the reliance on editors to select the
categories.
The other thing is the search results try
commons search for canoe
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=…
google images search for canoe
http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1680&bih…
Commons search returns a list most people will see the category link and
only 4-6 images initially, compared to google 32 images and 5 alternative
search options -- the layout of the results on commons could be alot better.
Even simple things like the first return is a link to the category:Canoe the
information it gives on the category is "*28 B (1 word) - 04:37, 27
September 2009*" thats not really enticing people to even look there, then
click on the link and you hit a soft redirect to "Canoes" another click then
returns 196 images, plus 8 subcat with a further 10 subcats and 290+ photos.
That initial search should have return the category of Canoes(because thats
what is used) and the descrition should be something like "*196 images, +27
subcats containing 472 images*" now that would entice people to explore the
category
If you search for the intiial example of
Genetics<http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch…
get first on the list a link to the category its description is "2
KB (19 words) - 11:05, 10 November 2009" it does nothing to indicate the
depth of information available, click on the category it lists just 5
subcats but theres 14 more if you page to the next 200 each with multiple
subcats including one cat that has 25256 files.
We need a search result screen that coveys the availablility information
when a search occurs so that people are able to understand whats actually
available. Whie the M/P issue is annoying most people once they are enter
past the differences wont encounter it again. Commons could benefit with an
address that is uniquely commons but commons function is as a repository to
all projects maybe call it "Wikilibrary" to
On 29 October 2010 10:11, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar
<neilk(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
As for the Wiki(p|m)edia thing, I have to say I
agree 100%, although I
don't know what other complications there might be.
On 10/28/10 1:21 PM, Lars Aronsson wrote:
Now, the second part. Finding pictures in
Commons
is really hard. It seems that categories and textual
descriptions are added by the uploader, and rarely
modified or enhanced by others. Finding a map of bird
migration paths across Europe might be easy, but
finding a plain and simple map of Europe is hard.
I was just talking about this with some other people at the WMF... I
don't fully understand the ramifications of the debate, but it seems
obvious to me that categories as implemented are not useful.
The debate I see on Commons and elsewhere focuses on trying to fix
Categories, but frankly IMO it would be better to migrate them to some
other systems entirely.
I agree.
I've been mumbling about creating a design
doc or mockups for my ideas
to a few people at the WMF... is anyone else interested in working on
this?
IMO, the problem is not how it looks, but the utility of the information.
If the metadata was more accessible, more people would fill it in.
see e.g.
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Dublin_Core
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