--- Erik Moeller <eloquence(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/28/06, Ryan Dabler <zhaladshar(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
That's not completely accurate. The reason
the
stylized logo is the best
that could be done is more related to the fact
that no one who wants to
change the logo has actually completely followed
through in setting up a
method to change it
Datrio made a very nice logo contest page on the
multilingual Wikisource:
http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:New_Wikisource_logo&…
On March 1, ThomasV added a note that "there is no
consensus in the
community about the need to replace the logo".
http://wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Wikisource:New_Wikisource_logo&…
Then a completely unnecessary vote on the local
language editions
about the need to replace the logo was started. The
logo process has
been, to my knowledge, in limbo since.
It's true that Datrio could have done more to defend
and enforce the
procedures. But ultimately it was pressure from
within the community
that led to the bureaucratic erosion of what was
originally a fairly
reasonable and logical logo voting process.
No use crying over spilled milk. But in my opinion,
these things
should be done on Meta, with the input of the whole
Wikimedia
community. All Wikimedia users were affected by the
iceberg photo
(lovely JPEG artifacts, too!) that was used as a
placeholder, so all
Wikimedia users should have been given a fair chance
to participate.
Erik
I believe you misunderstand the situation. A vote
that is not adverstised by translated messages amoung
all domains is much worse than doing nothing. That is
what was stopped. But the ambition to have quick and
fast vote in English apparently did not extend to
organizing a properly inclusive vote. I am willing to
participate is properly organized vote. I do not care
so much about changing the logo as to organize one
myself. But I would not participate in a vote as
Datrio tried to start and the portugese message today
is a good example of why. I would not have liked to
answer him with "Well learn english and read meta and
then you will know about these things". You complain
that "Wikimedia users should have been given a fair
chance to participate." Please tell me who did
participate? I know of no one who was involved the
decision. Elian, perhaps, who is more a Wikimedia user
the a Wikisource one I think. I am not complaining,
the change doesn't bother me and anyone who is
bothered by it is welcome to organize another change.
I just mean to point out that the idea of an
exclusion of Wikimedia users from the recent logo
change is without foundation.
Birgitte SB
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