[Wikipedia-l] Protest!!!!

Mon Jul 10 22:10:51 UTC 2006

My 2 cents: if this is a matter only for nl.wiki, then it should be dealt
with by the nl.wiki community and the nl.wiki mailing list. The other (more
important) thing is: how big were the changes? If it is only a change from
"something" to "Something" or from "Something, something else" to "Something
and something else", I don't think there's any need to discuss. If the
changes were more substantial, maybe telling in advance could have been
useful, but anyway being bold is always a good thing. I just hope the goal
of this thread is not just making a point.
Marco/Cruccone

On 7/10/06, Platonides <Platonides at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Andre Engels, your position is: changes to interface should get consensus
> before. So, when a new extension is added, or changed, and there're
> several
> new (renamed) messages, should i kindly ask permission for translating it
> from english? Don't be ridiculous! I translate them, and if i make
> mistakes
> or something is wrong, another one will change it. It's a wiki, do you
> remember? Changing outdated messages is fine to me. And if the other
> version
> is equivalent, there's no 'large change'.
>
> > The action itself was hostile. On Wikipedia we work with consensus,
> > not one person doing something and the rest being given a fait
> > accompli.
> We also [[Wikipedia:Assume good faith|]]. Asking a poll on every change
> would [[Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point|disrupt
> Wikipedia]]
>
>
> > It has been argued that others want to be part of the decision of what
> > are project specific messages. It has been argued that others want to
> > know what is going to happen. It has been argued that others want to
> > be part of the decision on which message of two similar ones is the
> > better one.
> *Then*, it should be argued, but only after it was asked.
>
> > That's your opinion. Mine is that there was. It would have been better
> > to discuss this in advance.
> And teh sysop's opinion that it wasn't :D
>
>
> >Someone who does that and afterward does not realize that it's a bad
> idea,
> >breaks
> > it.
>
> He doesn't need to realize that "it is a bad idea". There isn't even
> consensus about if it was a good idea or not!
> You can simply make policy saying: "Noone can change more than 5 mediawiki
> messages in a month without having asked the community". Then you can
> claim
> bad faith (or ignorance...). Anyway, i'm sure this user wil think twice
> and
> five times before changing a MediaWiki messsage.
>
>
>
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