[Wikipedia-l] What would Richard Stallman say?

Thu Feb 19 18:45:23 UTC 2004

Salve!

Am Donnerstag, 19. Februar 2004 16:50 schrieb Jimmy Wales:
> The moral argument is the one that matters.  Should we make use of
> materials that are available only to us because of our special
> circumstances, or should we follow a purist GNU philosophy?
>
> I think we all know what Richard Stallman would say, and I for one
> will agree with him completely. 

You know the spirit of GNU, but you don`t know what he would say.

At the moments the discussions of wikipianer is narrow minded:
"Are I`m allowed to copy this without asking someone" instead of
starting a discussion "How can you motivate Copyrights owner to contribute one 
impressfull picture to the Wikipedia"?

So I would please Richard Stallman to tell us:
"You are only asking for free resources - come on guys start to learn to 
programm your one code (make the photos yourself) AND learn the soft skill to 
motivate people to support your project and share a view of their personal 
pictures."

BTW, when we discuss the problem with Richard, I would not be surpriced when 
we would get another licence, the GNU-FPL (Free Picture Licence). I`m in 
favor for hash codes and fingerprints like PGP to include all important 
informations insied this signd file - GNU-FDL is not perferct for pictures.

But back to motivate you to think about how to learn the soft skill for asking 
for contribution. I have worked on one artikel about one new lonly island in 
Germany [[de:Kachelotplate]] and I found two webpages with an aerial photo of 
this island and I have asked both to get one picture for the use with 
GNU-FDL. The one wepage was a public authority and they excuse that they 
haven`t the right for this picture, but they forwarded my mail to the 
photographer. 

Today, 10 days later I got a call form a very kind airman who had make this 
pictures and he was impressed by our articels about aviation - he offerd a 
full CD with many pictures of this island and he lifes on another island and 
he got many ideas who to ask for more contribution for artikles and pictures
***g***

So know I`m sure we will have more than one aerial photos from only one 
island.

I agree that asking people for contribute, support or join the wikipeadia 
needs time - but in this case it was the work of 1h and we have now new 
friends.
If you don`t ask, you can save 1h but some people you may make angry and you 
will never have a chance again to win them as friend for our project.

==Advertisement for NGOs/GOs==
See [[de:Sable Island]] - for this artikle of an island befor the cost of 
canada I found a picture made by NASA from the space shutel. There condition 
to use is:

 For astronaut photography of Earth accessed through this website, please 
state "Image courtesy of Earth Sciences and Image Analysis Laboratory, NASA 
Johnson Space Center." We recommend that the caption for any photograph 
published include the unique photo number (Mission-Roll-Frame), and our 
website (http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov) so that others can locate or obtain copies 
when needed. We always appreciate notification of beneficial uses of 
astronaut photography of Earth-information on your applications. This will 
help us continue to maintain these services for the public. Send e-mail to 
earthweb at jsc.nasa.gov. 

- Does this be conform with GNU-FDL?
- What does you think about the legend under the picture in the artikel

This picture is IMHO a good exampel for a picture description:
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Bild:Sable_Island_NASA_300x301_from_EFS_highres_STS059_STS059-216-79.jpg
(I will ask NASA for the missing information WHO has made this picture *g*)

So I think you got my point:

It´s not only the question what picture is copy free,
its more the question, how do I ask blandest and friendly to get a GNU-FDL 
conform contribution. ;)

And I`m sure to get all picures I want for both island articles during this 
year - WITH GNU-FDL!

> If that means less images for now, then it means less images for now.
> It also means that we have a very strong incentive to develop free
> alternatives.
Past & Copy:
- This can everybody do :( - this will make wikipedia not special
- Important picture informations will not be used
- This will not find new wikipianer
- And will bring us in danger of bad headlines and losing these pictures in 
future, or for some countries....

Greetings
rob

See also: 
Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: image copyright  (Robert Michel,  Thu Feb 19 12:36:19 
2004)

 on ahave ask to 

contribute 

I will stress that concentrating on existing pictures and existing licences 
are a little narrow minded.

 The Wikimedia Foundation should be a
> beacon of what is possible with copyright freedom, and we should not
> allow anyone to ever point at our work and say "Yeah, they talk the
> big talk about free licensing, but what would their site be without
> all those proprietary licensed images and fair use exceptions?"
>
> If that means less images for now, then it means less images for now.
> It also means that we have a very strong incentive to develop free
> alternatives.
>
> --Jimbo
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