[WikiEN-l] Systemic bias wrt gender

Sat Nov 25 18:00:07 UTC 2006

On Nov 25, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Sean Barrett wrote:

> Fred Bauder stated for the record:
>> On Nov 25, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Sean Barrett wrote:
>>
>>>  the
>>> assumptions behind this passion play
>>
>> What are the assumptions?
>
> Primarily that:
>
> #1 there can never be any doubt that hateful bigotry is running  
> rampant,
> crippling the functioning of our society
>
> #2 anyone who wonders whether the alleged oppression is really as  
> bad as
> is claimed is a hateful bigot who must be immediately reeducated if  
> not
> exiled from the community
>
> Please remember that we started talking about -- and I'm still talking
> about -- Wikipedia, the place where we write articles, not this  
> mailing
> list or IRC.  As I think you pointed out, there are different  
> players as
> well as different sets of rules for each, making them distinct  
> communities.

Perhaps those assumptions explain the drama, but I would advance  
these assumptions for work:

We have problems, but could do better.

Dialog is productive.

Fred