[WikiEN-l] Kill CSD A7!

Mon Nov 13 19:48:14 UTC 2006

geni wrote:
> On 11/12/06, Dan Collins <en.wp.st47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> pfft. we need a7, that's how we get rid of the myspace teens and the
>> wanna-be-a-big-businesses. Do you have an example of an article that was
>> "unfairly" deleted? If it's used improperly, remove the tag. Either way, the
>> admin won't delete it if it isn't really nn.
>>
> 
> Oh they might. Problem is that we have no other deletion method that
> could cope if we removed A7
> 

Speedy A1

Very short articles providing little or no context (e.g., "He is a funny 
man that has created Factory and the Hacienda. And, by the way, his wife 
is great."). Limited content is not in itself a reason to delete if 
there is enough context for the article to qualify as a valid stub.

Now I'd argue that any article which doesn't explain why someone is 
significant fails to provide context.  So writing "Blah are a garage 
band who will release their first album next year." Provides no context, 
and even if it is hugely puffed out to detail how they met and where 
they all went to school, it still fails to provide context.  Now an 
article that provides context is "Blah are a garage band who will 
release their first album next year. The album will be produced by Steve 
Albini."  There you've got a smidge of why they might be significant. 
Steve Albini has a Wikipedia article, so it may be debated that having 
an album produced by him may be significant enough.

Now this stuff is what A7 is also supposed to stop, but in the last few 
days, for example, I removed a speedy on a stub which noted the actress 
appears in Hollyoaks, a popular soap.  It was speedied because 
apparently that doesn't assert notability.  Now my rule of thumb is, if 
the article claims something that hasn't or couldn't have happened to an 
average person, namely me, and checks out, then I won't delete it under 
A7.  Because I could have been in a band, I could have been an actor, 
but I haven't appeared in a poular soap, and I haven't had an album 
produced by Steve Albini.

A7 seems far too wide in it's subjectivity.  When it was proposed it 
contained contextualising text, something along the lines of asserting 
that you are a baker or a butcher may be true, but it doesn't assert any 
importance.  The article should assert why you are an important baker or 
butcher.  This text was removed within the first few days of adoption as 
unnecessary, but I think it needs to be added back in to better 
contextualise what is supposed to be deleted here.

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