[WikiEN-l] Article deletion

Wed Sep 14 20:05:41 UTC 2005

On 9/14/05, Kelly Martin <kelly.lynn.martin at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/14/05, MacGyverMagic/Mgm <macgyvermagic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's what I see as a good thing. By involving people in the
> > discussion who are not emotionally attached to the subject being
> > discussed we can get views from outside the field of "fanatics" (sorry
> > for not knowing a better word here).
> >
> > I always try to back up my vote with some point of policy or research
> > (see the photographer on AFD today). More people should base their
> > votes off facts instead of "Keep, X is good/encyclopedic/verifiable".
> > They should address the policy point that's being addressed. I.e "What
> > do you mean not-notable? They were the main guest on Oprah last week
> > and they have a top 100  Amazon sales rank." instead of "Writers are
> > notable".
> >
> > You could change the deletion process a thousand times, but if people
> > put their own feelings of what should be included in the discussion
> > (and preferably immediately). We'd agree on stuff a lot easier.
> 
> Perhaps closing admins should simply ignore opinions of the form "nn,
> delete" and "Keep all schools".  People will stop offering such such
> bland opinions if they realize that their input is being ignored and
> will instead offer more useful commentary.

Having a "bland" opinion doesn't mean that the opinion is incorrect.  

I think all schools are inherently notable.  I also think all US
Presidents are inherently notable.  Both are "bland" opinions, neither
deserves less respect than the other, but judgements about their
correctness must be made independently.

The schools issue is an especially bad example for when to demand
further explanation, as we have an entire project page dedicated to
the pro and con arguments, each fully explained, each fully rational,
but each also diametrically opposed to the other.  It's a bad idea to
whack this hornet's nest again, demanding that everyone re-justify
their views when they're already clearly laid out on a Wikipedia
project page.

The only reason I don't reference the school project opinion page
anymore is that I grew tired of constantly posting a wikilink that is
unlikely to be clicked on.  I apologize and will resume linking to the
page the next time I vote "Keep" for a school.

The place where overly simplified arguments don't belong is in the
nomination.  Elsewhere, it depends on context.
-- 
Michael Turley
User:Unfocused