[WikiEN-l] I've added a note to the 3RR policy page

Wed Mar 16 14:23:03 UTC 2005

I think your wording is a good addition, except for one point.   

As I have argued a few times on WP:AN, I think administrators should
avoid second-guessing each other.   Therefore, I don't think people
should be advised to go to a different administrator to unblock them
than the one who imposed the block in the first place.   This just
encourages people who have been blocked to  "forum shop" for the
softest/friendliest admin they can find, playing administrators
against each other.   It is clear that there is antipathy between some
administrators, and people shouldn't be able to exploit this.

In the case where the 3RR violation is not disputed, and a person
wants to apologize, express contrition etc, he or she should do that
with the admin who imposed the block.    The scenario where A blocks
B, B expresses contrition to C, C unblocks B is not a good scenario. 
It puts the admins into conflict, and undermines their roles.  Admins
should avoid this scenario if at all possible.

In the case where the blocked member wishes to dispute the 3RR block,
that should be done initially with the admin who imposed the block, so
that admin can recognize and reverse his own error,  and apologize if
appropriate to the blocked person, minimizing future bad feelings and
conflict.  Only if that fails should the blocked person be able to ask
a different admin to intervene.    The intervention in most cases
should be to leave the block in place but to open a discussion about
it on AN/I, so that a consensus can be formed about whether the block
was proper or not. Once a consensus is established, any admin can
implement it.

Brian (BM)

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:03:33 +0100, MacGyverMagic/Mgm
<macgyvermagic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > *If you didn't, you should email the admin who blocked you (or another
> > admin), politely point this out and ask to be unblocked.
> > *If you did, you should either wait the 24 hours to calm down, or email the
> > admin who blocked you (or another admin), acknowledge your error and
> > apologise and ask to be unblocked.
> Nicely said. Couldn't have said it better myself. Why do so much
> people immediately ask for removal of sysop status? Sysops are only
> human. Just asking nicely will have a much better result.
> 
> Mgm
> 
> 
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:37:48 +0000, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've just added the following to [[WP:3RR]]. I think it concisely
> > reflects how these things actually work. Feel free, of course, to
> > edit ;-)
> >
> > I'm a big fan of 3RR blocks, because sterile reverting is bad. But
> > if someone emails me acknowledging their error and asking to be
> > unblocked, I'll generally do so. The idea is to get people to edit
> > better. Some admins are real hardarses about it, but I'm not sure
> > that's really productive myself.
> >
> > ==I've been blocked under 3RR! What do I do?==
> > First, check if you actually did make a fourth revert in 24 hours or very
> > close to it.
> >
> > *If you didn't, you should email the admin who blocked you (or another
> > admin), politely point this out and ask to be unblocked.
> > *If you did, you should either wait the 24 hours to calm down, or email the
> > admin who blocked you (or another admin), acknowledge your error and
> > apologise and ask to be unblocked.
> >
> > Some admins look at the quality of the edits in question, but most admins do
> > not as the rule does not concern itself with edit quality.
> >
> > Note that historically, public denunciation of the blocking admin has not
> > tended to gain sympathy.
> >
> > - d.
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