[WikiEN-l] More thoughts on the 3-revert rule

Mon Feb 14 03:21:59 UTC 2005

>Tony Sidaway wrote:
>>JAY JG said:
>>
>>>But there are many editors (admittedly usually newer
>>>ones) who are  not committed to these principles, and with them Talk:
>>>is often useless.   And you'll tend to find those kinds of editors on
>>>hot-topic pages.
>>
>>
>>I've run into people like that, I'm sure we all have.  But I really don't
>>understand why you would claim that using talk with newcomers and
>>mavericks is useless.
>
>I don't think that's what was being said at all.  My interpretation of 
>phrasing was not that "using talk with newcomers and mavericks is useless," 
>but rather that there is a statistical trend of "useless" effect to 
>discussion with certain demographics.  That doesn't mean that one shouldn't 
>try talking to members of such demographics, but rather that one should 
>understand that sometimes such attempts at reasonable discussion are more 
>prone to failure than with other people.

Exactly.

>
>>Newcomers need to be handled gently and with understanding, as your aware.
>>  Mavericks can only really be dealt with via dispute resolution, which
>>requires us to assume good faith and try to use persuasion in the first
>>instance.  Give a troll a chance and he'll hang himself.  A maverick with
>>clue can be an asset, up to a point.
>
>I don't see that as actually disputing the statement you quoted at all.

Right again.  Unfortunately, I find that Tony often puts meaning into my 
statements that is unrelated to the actual words I have used, or intent 
behind them.

Jay.