Tony Sidaway wrote:
JAY JG said:
But there are many editors (admittedly usually
newer
ones) who are not committed to these principles, and with them Talk:
is often useless. And you'll tend to find those kinds of editors on
hot-topic pages.
I've run into people like that, I'm sure we all have. But I really don't
understand why you would claim that using talk with newcomers and
mavericks is useless.
I don't think that's what was being said at all. My interpretation of
phrasing was not that "using talk with newcomers and mavericks is useless,"
but rather that there is a statistical trend of "useless" effect to
discussion with certain demographics. That doesn't mean that one shouldn't
try talking to members of such demographics, but rather that one should
understand that sometimes such attempts at reasonable discussion are more
prone to failure than with other people.
Exactly.
Newcomers need to be handled gently and with
understanding, as your aware.
Mavericks can only really be dealt with via dispute resolution, which
requires us to assume good faith and try to use persuasion in the first
instance. Give a troll a chance and he'll hang himself. A maverick with
clue can be an asset, up to a point.
I don't see that as actually disputing the statement you quoted at all.
Right again. Unfortunately, I find that Tony often puts meaning into my
statements that is unrelated to the actual words I have used, or intent
behind them.
Jay.