[WikiEN-l] Pointlesswasteoftime

Sat Apr 16 20:34:03 UTC 2005

--- Theo Clarke <wiki at tignosis.com> wrote:

> Several things have goaded this group to higher
> levels of aggression:
> 1. The dismissal of their votes (which we did not
> explain).

Entirely, completely, utterly untrue.  We repeatedly
told them that the votes of anons and of IDs which
were created after the VfD listing are generally
discounted, and we repeatedly told them this is a
long-established Wikipedia policy.

> 2. The accusation that they are sockpuppets; we
> should check IP addresses before making such
> accusations.

We repeatedly told them that the usage of the term
sockpuppet in a Wikipedia VfD context means those who
create accounts after the VfD listing.

> 3. The perceived arrogance of some sysops sending
> messages to the effect that they will never win
> because we can ban them all. That sort of claim
> escalates the conflict; we should avoid them if
> similar circumstances arise.

We never did any such thing, unless it was done on
email.  I DID till John Cheese that he would be
blocked if he vandalized the article with the goatse
picture, which he threatened to do.

> 5. Mis-spelling by geni (they particularly enjoyed
> 'vanderlism'); I imagine that this would be no
> problem were they not already enraged.

Not too sensitive to non-native speakers, are they? 
Talk about arrogance!

> 6. Statements by some VFD voters that their vote is
> simply to spite the POW members. I have trouble
> understanding how the voters failed to see how
> inflammatory this was.

Sorry.  I told them that if they had ever been on
Wikipedia before, which they had not, they would know
that I repeatedly vote Delete on articles which have
multiple Keep votes from sockpuppets.  Besides, they
were voting Keep, they only changed to Delete when
John Cheese demanded it be removed.  The majority of
regular Wikipedia editors was clearly in the Delete
column, whcih seems to be what he wants.

> 7. This post: You know, there's more of us than
> there is of them: we could swamp the hell out of
> their little board, if we had the inclination... –
> ClockworkSoul 21:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
> 
> Theo

That was well after the threats of vandalism and the
arrogant demands that we change our procedures to
accomodate them.

RickK

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