[WikiEN-l] Your golorous [sic] leader.

Fri Apr 8 18:03:36 UTC 2005

As I told you already, I do not have private conversations with subjects 
of active arbitration cases.  I immediately CC all such messages to the 
Arbitration Committee mailing list.  This policy of transparency 
overrides standard netiquette and is not subject to debate.

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                   | in the low-class tea-shops. --Ernest Bramah

John Bradley stated for the record:

> If I have broken Netequet by posting the msg to the wikipedia mailing list, 
> then Jimbo broke it when he posted my mail to the abritration at nohat.net.
> 
> and according to Sean Bartlett.
> 
> "Any unsolicited e-mail sent to me becomes my property, to be stored,
> copied, or redistributed any way I like"
> 
> He's a member of arbcomm. So does your stuff about netiquette mean you 
> will be having ago at them?
> 
> 
> 
> From:           	"James D. Forrester" <james at jdforrester.org>
> To:             	"'English Wikipedia'" <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Subject:        	Re: [WikiEN-l] Your golorous [sic] leader.
> Date sent:      	Fri, 8 Apr 2005 17:52:19 +0100
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>>On Friday, April 08, 2005 5:29 PM, John Bradley <john at ontobus.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The mail Mr Wales sent to me was copied [snip] to:
>>>arbitration at nohat.net.
>>
>>Yes. The private email that Jimbo sent you was part of a series of emails
>>conducted between yourself and the Committee (which includes Jimbo, as it
>>were). Note that word there - "private". That you didn't respect the
>>convention of standard etiquette, which, extended onto the Internet, becomes
>>"Netiquette", that private email stays private (as with any other form of
>>correspondence) unless permission is granted from the author(s) is ...
>>unfortunate.
>>
>>
>>>It's strange but I get a bounce when I try to copy in my
>>>replies to the mail, not being a member of the list.
>>
>>Indeed. The list is a private list. Gosh, that word again. It is for the
>>private deliberation of that problematic users and situations collectively
>>known as "Arbitration cases".
>>
>>
>>>Just another way in which wikipedia places everyone at the mercy of the
>>>arbcomm. 
>>
>>Wikipedia is "at the mercy of" Jimbo. Jimbo has delegated his "mercy", to
>>use your term, to the Arbitration Committee that he convened over 15 months
>>ago, and which he periodically refreshes the membership thereof as guided by
>>the wishes of the community. Significant disciplinary matters in Wikipedia
>>are thus guided by a number of editors who are held in high esteem by the
>>community at large (or, at least, so one hopes).
>>
>>
>>
>>>A bunch of people who cannot even be bothered to make there
>>>reasoning clear.
>>
>>Their reasoning seems quite clear to me. Perhaps I'm standing in some sort
>>of reality distortion bubble, along with the rest of the Committee and
>>Wikipedia community?
>>
>>
>>>The more this goes on, the more obvious it becomes, that the people
>>>running the show aren't here for the data.
>>
>>If you mean, "[..] aren't here for the good of the Project", I sadly have to
>>agree with you - there are indeed some people who have contributed to
>>Wikipedia who do not seem to follow the goals of the project. This is
>>greatly saddening. Indeed, the various forms of dispute resolution, of which
>>Arbitration is oft seen as the most serious (and is very much often the most
>>terminal) form, sometimes see users who are evidently out to disrupt the
>>Project.
>>
>>Those from whom the community judges it receives more trouble than their
>>contributions are worth, however, are another class of user, and a much more
>>common form. They, too, are to be excluded from the Project, because we are
>>all but as cogs in the great machine that is Wikipedia, and not one of us is
>>irreplacable. Cogs who feel that they are often end up being forcibly
>>removed, and, with time, their position is filled by another, and so on it
>>goes.
>>
>>[Snip sig]
>>
>>Yours,
>>-- 
>>James D. Forrester -- Wikimedia: [[W:en:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]
>>
>>Mail: james at jdforrester.org | jon at eh.org | csvla at dcs.warwick.ac.uk
>>IM  : (MSN) jamesdforrester at hotmail.com
>>
>>
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