[WikiEN-l] Re: Is User:The Trolls of Navarone another 142/Entmoots/JRR reincarnation?

Sat Jul 3 00:44:11 UTC 2004

I'm not saying ban without reading the edit history. I'm saying that, 
if the edit history is as described, that, combined with the other 
evidence that already exists (Similarity if names, timing of arrival, 
similarity of politics, unusually high knowledge of how Wikipedia 
works), is, in my mind, grounds for a ban. If the edit history is not 
as described, that's another story. But IP evidence is really neither 
here nor there. So many Wikipedia vandals use IP spoofing at this point 
it's not funny. (To say nothing of the fact that IP evidence is really 
hard to gather.)

My feeling is that if God or Jimbo had meant for us to use IP evidence 
as the final arbiter of sockpuppet banning, he'd have given sysops the 
ability to look at IPs. Lacking that, I think we can look at the rest 
of the evidence and make a pretty good call. Everything except the edit 
history says ban to me. I don't know about the edit history. Somebody 
else want to chime in?

-Snowspinner

On Jul 2, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Mark Richards wrote:

> I don't think this is a good idea. Banning someone
> because you don't have the patience to look at edit
> histories isn't the kind of thing we need. IP
> addresses are usually accepted as evidence in this
> case, and since this user has done nothing wrong, it
> seems crazy to try to block him. This is the kind of
> baiting that leads to more conflict. The user is using
> the term troll to declare his politics about
> Wikipedia, but that in itself is not a good reason to
> ban him.
> Mark
>
>
> --- Phil Sandifer <sandifer at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> I think it's probably beside the point - IP
>> addresses can be spoofed.
>> If it were the same, it would be proof. If it's
>> different, it doesn't
>> show anything one way or another.
>>
>> I've not got the time or patience to go digging into
>> the edit histories
>> for similarities, but if the alleged similarities
>> exist, I'd have no
>> problem with a swift ban for reincarnation.
>>
>> But, then, I've got minimal patience for people who
>> don't appear to be
>> editing in good faith. This user is admitting on his
>> userpage that he
>> is a troll, in the tradition of a number of other
>> banned trolls. This
>> is not good faith. No deep philosophical debate
>> needed here.
>>
>> -Snowspinner
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2004, at 1:36 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>>
>>> He has an IP address of 217.26.162.142 listed on
>> his user page. Would
>>> one of the developers mind checking out whether
>> that matches up to
>>> EntmootsOfTrolls or JRR Trollkien?
>>>
>>> --Michael Snow
>>>
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