I'm not saying ban without reading the edit history. I'm saying that,
if the edit history is as described, that, combined with the other
evidence that already exists (Similarity if names, timing of arrival,
similarity of politics, unusually high knowledge of how Wikipedia
works), is, in my mind, grounds for a ban. If the edit history is not
as described, that's another story. But IP evidence is really neither
here nor there. So many Wikipedia vandals use IP spoofing at this point
it's not funny. (To say nothing of the fact that IP evidence is really
hard to gather.)
My feeling is that if God or Jimbo had meant for us to use IP evidence
as the final arbiter of sockpuppet banning, he'd have given sysops the
ability to look at IPs. Lacking that, I think we can look at the rest
of the evidence and make a pretty good call. Everything except the edit
history says ban to me. I don't know about the edit history. Somebody
else want to chime in?
-Snowspinner
On Jul 2, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Mark Richards wrote:
I don't think this is a good idea. Banning
someone
because you don't have the patience to look at edit
histories isn't the kind of thing we need. IP
addresses are usually accepted as evidence in this
case, and since this user has done nothing wrong, it
seems crazy to try to block him. This is the kind of
baiting that leads to more conflict. The user is using
the term troll to declare his politics about
Wikipedia, but that in itself is not a good reason to
ban him.
Mark
--- Phil Sandifer <sandifer(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I think it's probably beside the point - IP
addresses can be spoofed.
If it were the same, it would be proof. If it's
different, it doesn't
show anything one way or another.
I've not got the time or patience to go digging into
the edit histories
for similarities, but if the alleged similarities
exist, I'd have no
problem with a swift ban for reincarnation.
But, then, I've got minimal patience for people who
don't appear to be
editing in good faith. This user is admitting on his
userpage that he
is a troll, in the tradition of a number of other
banned trolls. This
is not good faith. No deep philosophical debate
needed here.
-Snowspinner
On Jul 2, 2004, at 1:36 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
He has an IP address of 217.26.162.142 listed on
his user page. Would
one of the developers mind checking out whether
that matches up to
EntmootsOfTrolls or JRR Trollkien?
--Michael Snow
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