[WikiEN-l] Where are all the trolls?

Tue Aug 3 20:08:02 UTC 2004

You, for one, are a troll, and as such, do not deserve a discussion.

RickK

"N.T. Riche" <vonriche at yahoo.com> wrote:
I am not sure, but I seriously don't think trolling is a problem.

I have a few question for Rick and Heph and others:

What constitutes trolling?

If so should trolls be banned without a hearing?

Could other users defend a troll without them being called a troll (Like I have)?

Also I understand we are building a encyclopedia...but is there such a thing as Academic freedom on wikipedia (to some extent because i realize this a private project not a public one)?

I don't see trolling to be a problem, I see users that act like vigilantes to be a problem. I've seen some users that claimed to be "free-thinkers" but banned people without a hearing from the Arb. committee. I've seen users that claimed to be Liberals, but where ultra-reactionary in banning practices and are no better than the people they criticize. Now I never once said they're was a "cabal" but what I am saying is that I believe in FREEDOM. 

Nick T. Riche Aka User:Plato

Mark Richards <marich712000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Perhaps the inability or refusal to deal with this
'problem' is that there really isn't much of a
problem?
Mark

--- Robert Dodier wrote:

> Hephaestos wrote:
> 
> > In light of the fact that the Arbitration
> Committee is 
> > quite willing to censure me and others for having
> the 
> > audacity to do the job they refuse to do, over any
> objections
> > we may have, I don't think they are being taken
> seriously.
> >
> > On the other hand, if I were to change my handle
> to 
> > GreezyTroll and start spewing nonsense about
> "cabal" and 
> > "GFDL corpus", and inserting "faggot" into every
> other article,
> > I think my objections would be taken quite
> seriously. In the 
> > name of "fairness" or somesuch.
> 
> Wikipedia is suffering from a classic case of
> looking for
> the house keys under the street light. There is an
> inability,
> or perhaps refusal, to recognize trolling. On the
> other hand,
> it,s very easy to spot admins who are breaking
> rules.
> 
> RickK wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, but I will continue to do what needs to be
> done, 
> > and I hope, Heph, that you will, too.
> 
> Hephaestos wrote:
> 
> > Why should we, when our help is so clearly not
> wanted?
> 
> For the record: -I- want your help. I consider WP a
> serious
> project -- that means the current troll-pandering
> has to stop.
> 
> Hephaestos, you rock, and RickK, so do you.
> Keep up the good work. 
> 
> For what it,s worth --
> Robert Dodier
> (Wile E. Heresiarch)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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