[WikiEN-l] Communist paper apologises but Wikipedia endorses the malicious claim!

Sun Nov 9 00:33:43 UTC 2003

Fred Bauder [mailto: fredbaud at ctelco.net] wrote:

> No problem if that's what it was. 

Unfortunately, it doesn't meet even that standard. Pogrom is an
organized crime. What happened in Gujarat was riots. Stop
pretending that only Whites are civilized while the rest of the
world is barbaric.

> Pogroms (Which really only happened in Russia and what is now 
> Belarus and Ukraine) were both spontaneous and government 
> tolerated mass murder which gave the majority population a way of 
> letting of steam, and are really quite comparable to the events in 
> Gujarat. 

You sure seem to have some ax to grind against Hindus. You are
factually wrong on so many points.

1) The Govt didn't tolerate the riots in Gujarat. The Army was
called in to control the riots. In the entire history of 
post-independent India, this Govt showed the fastest response.

2) Riots are not comparable to pogroms.

3) The riots in Gujarat happened both ways.

4) The events in Gujarat were triggered by Muslims who firebombed
a train. Keep denying it as much as you want. It only shows your
bigotry.

> Of course, they exploit the outrage generated by Hindu attacks 
> on minorities 

Which is not my complaint. Rioting is wrong. Rioting in Gujarat 
was not the correct response even though it was an act of rage in
the wake of firebombing the train. Two wrongs do not make a right.
If you think I am disputing the exitence of the riots, you have
completely missed the point.

The point is this - I want facts to be represented in the entry.
1) Muslims firebombed a train.
2) This triggered off riots.
3) Both Muslims and Hindus died in the ensuing riots with Muslim
casualties outnumbering the Hindu casualties.

The above are facts. Self appointed Communist organizations which
use terms such as "human rights," "peasants and workers"
"union for civil liberties", "solidarity" "people's" and so on in
their title does not necessarily make them credible sources of
information.
Also a fact is the point about the indian english media blaming the
victims immediately after the frebombing occurred. Fortunately, 
you can still see the editorials in the archives of major
newspapers and this will prove my point.

Why are you shy of criticising the firebombing of the train by
Muslims unconditionally but you quickly jump to conclusions when
Hindus are involved? Is it because you are afraid of Muslims while
you have found Hindus to be docile people in your country who are
quiet and hardworking doctors and computer engineers and hence
soft targets of criticism? Shame on you. You pick weak people to
bully.

I also notice that you have cleverly avoided commenting on the links
I gave where Times of India in its editorials quoted Leniin and
bashed capitalism and fondly wished for Communists to unite. Just as
you have avoided commenting on the specific points I gave.

I think you should be honest enough to look at the points I made
instead of making the "Muslim good Hindu bad" and "Islam = peace,
Hinduism = barbaric terrorists" claims.
You haven't commented on Arvindn, Wik and VV's urge to go about 
branding Hindus as "fascists" but you find my usage of the term
"Communist" objectionable even though it is a fact.

-libertarian

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