[WikiEN-l] threats and abuse from IP user

Mon Aug 25 05:29:05 UTC 2003

>
>Toby Bartels wrote:
>
>>>* An accusation of racism on behalf of the Israeli government
>>>has been Orwellianly interpreted as racism on behalf of the accuser.
>>>(In a more complicated context, that can be a wise deduction,
>>>such as when people excuse all lex solis regimes except Israel.
>>>But many people are just ignorant about that situation.)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Whoops! the Latin is backwards; should be "lex sanguinis".
>>
>>In a lex solis (jus solis, law of the soil) regime,
>>citizenship is determined by the location of birth;
>>in a lex sanguinis (jus sanguinis, law of the blood) regime,
>>citizenship is determined by the status of the parents.
>>Lex sanguinis is arguably racist when the parents' race matters,
>>irrespective of the parents' citizenship status.
>>(It's arguably racist in any case, but that'a a harder argument.)
>>
>>This is the case with quite a few regimes, the State of Israel among them.
>>That Jews of any birth nationality (and any degree of religious practice)
>>are permitted to become citizens of Israel upon their arrival,
>>is a common argument for the «Zionism = racism» equation.
>>But many people that make that argument ignore the similar situation
>>in (for just one example) Germany (IIRC).  In certain cases,
>>such a biased attitude may be traceable to their own racism.
>>
>>And of course, things are never as simple as this bipolar division.
>>Israel, Germany, etc, also have lex solis provisions.
>>
>>
>>
>FWIW, the 'lex sanguinis' type provisions are in fact quite widespread, 
>especially in the EU.  In addition to Germany, Greece has such provisions 
>-- I was born and have lived in the US my entire life, but can claim Greek 
>citizenship simply by providing documentation of my Greek heritage; 
>meanwhile, the many Albanian immigrants in the country are not Greek 
>citizens.  There's probably other countres in the EU that do this as well 
>that I don't know about.
>
>-Mark

In Ireland, anyone outside Ireland whose parents or grandparents were Irish 
citizens are entitled to Irish citizenship.

JT

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