Ray Saintonge wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Ray Saintonge wrote:
This might be raised in [[Wiktionary:Beer
parlour]], but I suspect
that it would not receive a warm reception. While the words which
are not yet in Wiktionary might be welcomed there would remain the
question of how do you propose to reconcile your contributions with
the words that we already have. To the extent that any upload may
be possible it should also be done at a rate that is slow enough to
allow others to ask questions about each of your contributions.
Perhaps by first entering a small sample of your files you could
develop the confidence of the Wiktionary community that your
contributions are acceptable.
Ec (en:Wiktionary sysop)
Hoi,
This is a great example where the en:wiktionary assumes that is only
has been adressed when dictionary terms are mentioned. It also
assumes that its practices are the same on all wiktionaries. It is
only one wiktionary and they are not.
What a liar!!!
A liar is someone who does not speak the truth. I am sorry that it hurts
you to hear something that has some truth.
There are
several wiktionaries that welcome quality content and load
them in bulk with a bot onto their pages. We even apply for temporary
bot status so that it can be uploaded with a personalised bot (good
for the GFDL requirements). This is a great way of beefing up the
content of a project. Certainly when as often happens, the content is
either specialised or with translations to a specific language it can
be an extremely worthwhile addition to the wiktionary.
If some other language Wiktionary is more interested in quantity than
quality, or wants to use a bot just to beef up its article numbers the
members there are welcome to come to such a community decision.
As neither you nor I have seen the data mentioned we are both in no
position to say something about the quality of the data. I do appreciate
quality data and, when I get quality data, I am happy to upload it to
the wiktionaries that appreciate it. We do use a bot for that and, why
should this be an issue when we know its source and when the quality of
the data is excellent ?
The argument that the upload should be slow
enough for the community
to ask questions is based on what, fear ?? There is already plenty of
content on en: that is questionable like words spelled wrong, this is
spelled out, but hey, it is a dictionary and content SHOULD be
correct. So when you argue let us know what the content is about, I
could agree. When you say do it slowly as we want to look into every
addition, I would say that this is not feasible using a bot.
If you believe that there are words spelled wrong on the en:wiktionary
then fix them, rather than whining here that they should be correct.
In the first place the members of a community need to know what a bot
will do so that they can decide on whether it is acting
appropriately. Suddenly adding 20,000 entries without any opportunity
to adapt them to current formatting practices is just adding 20,000
tasks for other people to fix. I am not prepared to arrogate to
myself the authority to decide such a thing, nor can I accept that
such a thing will be decided on a mailing list to which only a
fraction of the active community subscribes. The proposal needs to be
put to a broader community of the en:Wiktionary before it can be
implemented there.
Ec
I do not have time to spend more time on the en:wiktionary. (I run a bot
on the en:wiktionary as we speak, and I run it on request.) I do agree
that a community may know in advance what is going to happen. But why
the community should be against data with words, descriptions and
translations that currently do not exist is beyond me. Your idea that a
file cannot be created that does conform to a standard is also something
that is based on .. what ??
When I get this file, I will look at it. If it is any good I will create
a big file that may be used as input for the bot. I will leave the
translation part as is customary to me and the other bits as is
customary to you. I will write in the beer parlour that I have quality
data that I can upload to the en:wiktionary and when I get reasonable
questions I will give reasonable answers. And after a week, given a
reasonable outcome, I may start uploading the data. There will be no
need to adapt them, do not worry :)
Thanks,
GerardM