Will you release this quote under the GPL I would like to use it elsewhere.
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From: Jeffrey Peters <17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu>
To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com>om>; Mailing list for Wikiversity
<wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Are "solved problems" suitable for Wikiversity?
I sometimes wonder if you are a creation of Ellison's AM and exist only to torture
others.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <abdlomax(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I write this because Ottava (Jeffrey Peters) is insane, and I don't want people here
to think that he has any actual power or serious influence.
He has long threatened users like this. I have never seen anyone blocked as a result,
except when Ottava was a sysop, which ultimately became a disaster because of his habit of
calling people liars.
After he was desysopped, he then threatened users that stewards would descend on
Wikiversity and block those people who were frustrating Ottava's agenda, just as here
he is threatening removal from the list.
One the other hand, if anyone is removed from this list for behavior here in this thread,
I want to hear about it. I can be reached by reply to the address for this mail, or
through the Wikiversity user email interface, user Abd.
Anyone but Ottava, that is. He is *only* on this list to make trouble. He doesn't care
at all about Wikiversity. There is no WMF policy that he imagines. I just reviewed the
posts here, and Ottava's incursion here was utterly outrageous. There is no
"competition" between Planet Math and Wikiversity or Wikipedia. See the Planet
Math article on Wikipedia, as was suggested.
It appears that content on Planet Match can be reused on Wikiversity if anyone so
desires.
Further, Planet Math appears to have a process that could be a bit more likely to produce
reliable content (in math).
(To answer another question, nobody reliably validates content on Wikiversity. Wikiversity
hosts, in addition to expert content, content written by *students*. Some are very young.
We have "inexplicable physics" pages, so categorized because a certain WMF board
member thought the physics was idiosyncratic. Perhaps it was, but they were not deleted.
Warnings were placed on them. If a page on Wikiversity has possible educational usage,
which could include the study of error, or, for that matter, fringe science or even
pseudoscience, it will normally be kept. If it's on the edge, it might be userfied, we
readily move pages into user space if there is a question about appropriateness. Let's
say that, as a user, it is far less disconcerting to find the page I worked on for so many
hours has been moved to my user space, than to find it deleted! Basically, because of
Wikiversity traditions and practices, including the allowance of subpages in mainspace,
conflict on Wikversity over content is rare.)
The original question here, by Robert Dodier, was if a certain kind of math article would
be welcome on Wikiversity, and the immediate answer (by me) was that it would be likely.
Then Joe suggested "as an alternative," Planet Math. This is a discussion among
WMF volunteers, and it could have taken place on, say, the Wikiversity Colloquium, the
same.
If Ottava had jumped in to excoriate Joe, on Wikiversity, as he did here, I'd be
betting that he'd be blocked. And that's on a wiki that rarely blocks anyone other
than vandals.
And I see that the user who asked here has now asked there, on Planet Math. He is not so
likely to meet someone like Ottava there,
Contributing to Wikiversity could be easier, but the user might have more sympathetic
company on Planet Math. All I can say for sure is that the Robert is welcome on
Wikiversity., and likewise Joe Corneli, Steve Foerster, and Nkansah Rexford. The idea of
collaboration with Planet Math is excellent, and the more that users who really want to
build free educational materials collaborate and support each other, the more difficult it
is for the snipers to pick people off.
Most of us just want to build content, but we do need to ensure that someone is minding
the space, keeping it safe.
I notice that Ottava, in his message, threatened "moderation" because Nkansah
argued with him if he were to "keep it up." Ottava seems to not understand that
he's yelling at a whole group of people, each one of whom is different and each one of
whom is not responsible for what the others do or say. For Ottava, it doesn't matter.
They are the enemy.
Whatever is happening with Ottava, it seems to be getting more pronounced. He used to be
far more cogent.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (413) 584-3151 business (413) 695-7114 cell
I'm so excited I can't wait for Now.
From: Jeffrey Peters <17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu>
To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <wikiversity-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Are "solved problems" suitable for Wikiversity?
It is a website that isn't Wikimedia. It is a competitor. Keep it up and I will inform
the main list owners and ask that they strictly moderate the list to ensure that it is not
used to promote competitors.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Nkansah Rexford <nkansahrexford(a)gmail.com> wrote:
@jeffery, mentioning Planet math here is advertising? Really? When did that become
advertising?
Hmmmm, still wondering. Its not as if the link is to Joe's personal website or
something. Its a website known by many. Joe is just bringing up an issue and I believe its
great considering the matter than banning the matter saying its advertising.
"Not an advertising group"? Apart from the mailing list of Wikiversity, where
else can discussions of this sort be held?
I'm in this mailing list, Wikimania, Wikipedia, and other mailing lists. Links are
posted to references and stuffs like that. They're all Wikimedia mailing list, but how
come such links never get categorized as adverts but are used in discussion?
Is this "not advertising group" idea applied to only Wikiversity?
Cmon
google.com/+Nkansahrexford | sent from Tab
On Dec 22, 2013 4:03 PM, "Joe Corneli" <holtzermann17(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am bringing this to attention in the #wikimedia IRC channel.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Jeffrey Peters
<17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
Doesn't matter. This is a mailing list, not an
advertisement group.
Wikimedia mailing lists are not to be used for advertising.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joe Corneli <holtzermann17(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Jeffrey, are you the admin of this group?
PlanetMath.org is
well-established free/open project
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetMath which has contributed a lot of
content to Wikipedia over the years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/PlanetMath_E….
Mentioning the project is hardly advertising it.
Joe
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Peters
<17peters(a)cardinalmail.cua.edu> wrote:
Please don't advertise non-Wikimedia
groups/links.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joe Corneli <holtzermann17(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
As an alternative, this seems like something we would be interested in
including in PlanetMath (
planetmath.org).
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Robert Dodier
<robert.dodier(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am thinking of setting up one or more pages of math problems
> solved by Maxima, a symbolic computation system.
> I am imagining that there would be a main page and a page
> for each solved problem. Each problem page would have
> a brief discussion and then a solution with formulas, code,
> and graphics as needed. Is that something that is suitable
> for Wikiversity? It seems to be within the educational realm
> of Wikiversity, but I couldn't find anything to say whether it
> is definitely OK or not OK. It's not a problem if it's not OK.
>
> Thanks for any light you can shed on this question.
>
> Robert Dodier
>
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