Your points are also valid, at least far better than the current diff
system which isn't that easy to understand what is actually going on or
whatnot.
On Nov 8, 2014 10:01 PM, "Brian Wolff" <bawolff(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Honestly i dont think anyone's even tried to
improve the conflict screen.
There's probably a lot of low hanging fruit on the usability of edit
conflicts which could be persued that have nothing to do with the hard,
real time editing solutions (as cool as those are).
If someone is intrested in trying to improve edit conflicts, id reccomend
starting with:
*only showing relavent parts. If your conflict is in a section, and you
were doing a section edit, dont ask user to resolve entire page (this is
particularly painful on VP type pages).
Furthermore: find some way to present only the conflicted lines (ie what
conflict markers show in a source control system) in a user friendly way.
*better conflict resolution algorithms. This would require experimentation,
but im sure there exists something better for merging natural language
documents than just shoving it to gnu diff3. Perhaps even just adding a
newline after every sentence (period) so that it merges on a more fine
grained level would be appropriate. I imagine there must be papers written
on this subject we could look to for advice.
I'm unfamilar with what wordpress does for this. Do you have a link
describing its process?
--bawolff
On Nov 8, 2014 4:31 PM, "Nkansah Rexford" <nkansahrexford(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
One session I really looked forward to at the Wikimania was the one on
Visual Editor and the talk on RealTime Editing (the one presented by
Erik).
Of course, I enjoyed, seeing some of the nice
future goals of how
realtime
editing could be possible, however with very
strong huddles to overcome.
One slide pointed out the number of edit conflicts that happened in the
month of July only:
https://plus.google.com/107174506890941499078/posts/NCPzu4G5cbP
There were *120k edit conflicts of about 23k registered user accounts*
(anonymous conflicts might be higher or around this same value, or even
less)
The proposals and design concepts of how the concurrent editing could be
on
Wikimedia projects were/are nice to see, and very
hi-tech. However, I
considered these proposals and design concepts to be far fetched, at
least,
at least, looking at how pressing the issue of
edit conflicts are.
I might be the only person that suffers from that problem, thus I ask
about. The simple solution to edit conflict in my own opinion isn't that
complex, as at least, there's a living example of how it could be.
The WordPress* way of resolving edit conflicts, for me, at this point in
time, will look more promising and do much better than the highly
advanced
concepts that were presented, which are not even
near to realization, at
least for the next 5 years.
Until those concepts presented are completed, how many more edit
conflicts
should be suffered? Losing lots (or even a line
of edit) of edits because
of editing conflict isn't something to take easily, at least when one has
limited time and resources, but voluntarily decided to add content to an
article.
rexford
**I'm no wordpress dev, neither have I ever even done coding in php. I
mention the wordpress here because, as someone who uses wordpress a lot,
and have seen how its editing conflict has been, in a typical way,
resolved, I find it impressive, and think Wikipedia of all websites,
should
have implement that approach long time ago, if
not just after wordpress
did
it.*
On Aug 9, 2014 11:58 AM, "Pine W" <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.pine@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> Rexford, it happens that there are 2 Wikimania sessions about
concurrent
> editing starting at 17:00 today in Auditorum
I.
> Pine
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','qgil@wikimedia.org');>>
wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.pine@gmail.com');>>
wrote:
>
> >> I am asking Quim to
provide us an update.
> >>
>
> > Me? :) I'm just an
editor who, like many of you, has suffered this
> problem
> > occasionally.
>
> > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at
10:02 AM, rupert THURNER <
> rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com
>
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rupert.thurner@gmail.com');>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> that would be a hullarious feature! which is btw available in some
> other
> >>> opensoure and proprietory wikis.
> >>>
> >>
> > TWiki is an open source wiki and also has (had?) a concept of
blocking
a
> > page while someone else is editing.
This feature might sound less
than
> > ideal in the context of, say, Wikipedia
when a new Pope is being
> nominated,
> > but I can see how many editors and MediaWiki adminis have missed such
> > feature at some point.
>
> > If I understood correctly,
VisualEditor already represents an
improvement
> > vs Wikitext because the chances of
triggering conflicting edits are
> > smaller, because of the way the actual content is modified and
updated
in
> > every edit.
> i'd have strong doubts here, from
a technical standpoint :)
> > Rupert, in any case you see that
the trend is going in the direction
of
> > being more efficient handling
concurrent edits. Blocking pages while
> > another editor supposedly is working on them might work in e.g.
corporate
> > wikis where most f the times the Edit
link is clicked for a reason,
but
it
could be potentially counterproductive in sites
like Wikipedia.
i can only 100% agree, quim, and i am glad you help clarifying the
feature request in this direction. the suggestion is "notify" or
"show", not "block". if a user presses edit, the page shows other
persons who pressed edit in the last, say 15 minutes, and did not save
yet. it sounds simple to implement, but big benefit, especially with
many users. an additional goodie could be to show it on the edit
window of other user as well, so she can quickly save. if a user
ignores the notification and is quicker in saving, we have the current
situation. additionally these "in work" templates would be made
superfluous in many cases.
rupert
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