Trevor Parscal wrote:
On 10/12/10 10:29 PM, Ryan Lane wrote:
The only
response I've gotten so far is "merge into core", which is an
interesting response, but does not resolve the issue at hand, which is,
until we do so (assuming we do at some point after 1.17), what should
this extension be named?
I'm not defending the current name any more than stating it's my
preference. I'm not only open to naming it something else, but I'm
asking for input on what to name it.
Some people are being somewhat combatant or getting tangential in their
responses - fine, basically what I expect form this list - but I'm still
very interested in responses to do with my original question, "should we
rename it, and if so, what should we name it?".
Please, please, don't rename it again. Every time the name changes
things break. They break for us, they break for third parties using
SVN, and it breaks our ability to easily support the extensions when
people ask for help.
Leave the name alone, and merge it into core as soon as possible.
+1... sounds very reasonable to me.
I contribute to MediaWiki development mostly through the #mediawiki IRC
channel, answering simple questions that users have when they're trying to
install or use MediaWiki. Being the most popular MediaWiki installation in
the world, people often want to emulate features that they see on Wikipedia.
My frustration from this thread (and from the code review comments) is that
you're creating a mess. And you're doing it for the second time.
There was already a skin named "Vector" and a sub-extension named
"UsabilityInitiative/Vector". This caused a lot of confusion for a lot of
people. It caused confusion when users asked questions and it caused
confusion when their questions were answered.
You've now introduced a third concept, a separate extension, called
"Vector". Instead of saying "just install MediaWiki and you'll have
the
basic tools you need," we now have to say "well, MediaWiki comes with the
Vector skin, but there's also 'UsabilityInitiative/Vector' and
'Vector' (the
extension just called 'Vector') that you may or may not need to install
based on the version of MediaWiki you're running."
You don't answer these questions (or any support questions). That's fine,
nobody's asking you to. But I do. And in my mind, you're needlessly adding a
lot of confusion to what's already not the simplest installation process in
the world. And even worse in my mind, you're making the _exact same mistake_
that you've already made. So when you've moved on to other projects, I'll
still be trying to explain to new MediaWiki users what the difference is
between all of these different concepts called "Vector".
It's bad enough to create a giant mess that everyone else is forced to live
with, but please don't waste people's time with discussion for the sake of
saying you had a discussion. From your responses to this mailing list
thread, it's pretty clear that come hell or high water, you're not going to
revert yourself. In the time you've spent discussing this, you could have
_easily_ merged this into core and moved on.
I realize you don't respect me and my opinions, but what's absolutely
mind-boggling is that plenty of people who you should respect have said the
exact same thing as me, and you're still turning a deaf ear. I think your
views and actions here are a showcase of the general current Wikimedia
Foundation staff approach and attitude toward the community. I don't see how
this approach and attitude is in any way acceptable, but I do see how, if it
continues, it will ultimately kill the community behind these
community-driven projects.
MZMcBride