Good morning Sabine and everybody,
Great to see more people joining into the communication. I am not a frequent user of the Wicki discussion tools which Gerhard proposes to use for this but I'll try to move things over to there. (And I see Bernard is already using it).
Some points:
a) I understand Gerard wants to start with the Dutch (NL) language part of it. Please make sure you do not loose the link to the (English) definitions. In fact, maybe English - as the nucleus - shall go in first
b) If my technical knowhow is carrying me far enough, I would consider to use XML/RDF as technical transfer media and SKOS as the "description model". I think this "streamlining" could be beneficial since the community does not have to handle various technical solutions in parallel. But this might not work with the technology in Wiki - other folks have to decide on that
c) Sabine is supporting the open content approach and correctly refers to the reluctancy of other initiative to go along the same way. Why I opt for open content is (besides the fact I like the philosophy in general a lot and we folks in the environment domain are well advised to not sit on our stuff (data, terminologies etc.) if we want to make some impact) is the maintenance issue: While we have an overall good quality standard in GEMET, there are problems here and there - sharing through Wiki would allow for others (users) to comment and edit the stuff. Also they can add and link to other terminolgies (glossaries, thesaury ... whatsoever). I am aware that this can lead to chaos but my experience with Wictionary is that it (sometimes surpriseing for me) provides quality content without getting into this trouble
d) Mabe it is you neccessary somebody (Gerard?) starts with something (NL/EN), picking up the content from the GEMET area http://www.eionet.eu.int/gemet in the SKOS format (see also SWAD-Europe for reference)
e) By the way there are goodies availbale like definitions in Russian and Bulgarian ... there is also an initiative under way to get the stuff in Chinese ...
>>> I now paste thsi mail into the META discussion area and hoep this is a beneficial move ...
a sunny day from Copenhagen
stefan
-----Original Message-----
From: Sabine Cretella [mailto:sabine_cretella@yahoo.it]
Sent: 01 September 2004 19:26
To: wiktionary-l(a)Wikipedia.org
Cc: wikitech-l(a)Wikipedia.org; Stefan Jensen; Frankee; ALBatro;
urwo(a)hispeed.ch; glossarplus(a)yahoogroups.de; Daniele Maso;
transref(a)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Wiktionary-l] GEMET and Wikipedia
Hi, I'd like to answer and at the same time to forward this message to
several people involved with "glossary creation and maintenance" as well
as interested user groups.
As some of you already know I'll have a similar task with uploading
"colours" in as many languages as possible to the Italian wiktionary
(list is still under completion) - at the same time I am trying to
create other thematic lists to be translated by colleagues and then
uploaded to wiktionary and used in the wsi-glossary project as well as
the Embedded DICTionary PROJect.
Now I know the GEMET as a very valuable source for translators (I myself
use it quite often) - so its release in the OpenContent would be a
wonderful achievement and not only for Wiktionary. So I would kindly
invite the people of other lists and direct contacts to join this
project and combine forces.
The meta page Gerard is talking about can be found here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GEneral_Multilingual_Environmental_Thesaurus
If someone of you needs further explanation on how to add comments to
the link mentioned above and let us know what he/she can do, please just
ask. Maintain such a huge glossary in so many languages is a lot of work
and every helping hand (don't forget that there are many simple jobs as
well) is needed.
I know, not many of us are convinced about OpenSource and OpenContent,
but most of us use it every day sometimes without knowing about how much
work is behind.
So again: I invite you to join the project and to make other people
aware of it - maybe writing and forwarding this message in other
languages as well.
And to Gerard: instead of breaking your teeth, could you please tell us
how we can help you? ;-)
Have a great evening!
Ciao, Sabine
*****
Sabine Cretella
s.cretella(a)wordsandmore.it
www.wordsandmore.it
Meetingplace for translators
www.wesolveitnet.com
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Gemet is the "GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus". This
> thesaurus is maintained by the European Environment Agency. It
> contains a 5200 + glossary with translations of the words to 20+
> languages and descriptions in a few. The EEA wants to have this
> information in a wiki format, the data is open content.
>
> Mr Stefan Jensen, the project manager did sent me a mail as I am
> preparing to upload a botanical glossary into wiktionary (I said so on
> the wiktionary list). As the GEMET data is already on-line on the
> internet, and much better structured than the data that I have, I
> would first break my teeth on this one and then progress to my own
> glossary.
>
> However, I received a mail which shows how much he would appreciate
> cooperation; all kinds of people who have expertise in area's like
> Semantic Web, Ontologies, Thesaury, Topic Maps, XML, RDF, OASIS ...
> have had my mail forwarded. I have created an article on Meta
> [[GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus]]. I copied the mail to
> the talk page.
>
> My plans are simple I want to upload this stuff into nl:Wiktionary. I
> also plan to tag them with a [[Categorie:GEMET]]. When I have been
> succesfull, I will also be able to upload it to other wiktionaries.
> When somebody beats me to it, I will only be pleased.
>
> As I have seen many a time on Wikitech stuff about XML etc, it might
> be a good idea to synchronise what GEMET does and what we do. So
> please discuss this preferably on Meta, or on the lists. I have no
> good idea about how difficult this may prove to be.. Again,
> information on META.
>
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
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-> PLEASE TRANSLATE THIS MESSAGE INTO YOUR LANGUAGE AND SEND A COPY TO
YOUR LOCAL PROJECT MAILING LIST. THANK YOU!
MediaWiki is a great software package, but in one department it is
lacking: documentation. In spite of the collaborative power of wiki, so
far there exists no single user documentation. Instead, each project
maintains its own fork, and the Meta pages are one big mess (although the
English documentation has become a bit better with the introduction of the
Help: namespace).
I have just taken live some code changes which allow us to finally
systematically document MediaWiki. I have added code to allow custom
namespaces, so that any wiki can have any number of namespaces beyond the
ordinary ones. Using this, I have then created namespaces in the largest
languages (for which I had translations of "Help" and "Help talk") on
http://meta.wikimedia.org . See
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents
for a list of available namespaces.
That means you can now edit Hilfe:Inhalt or Aide:Aide like the English
users have been editing Help:Contents. Why is that important? Because it
allows us to easily export all the help files in one language, and import
them into another wiki.
Any wiki may want to make custom changes to the help pages. This is best
done using custom header and footer templates. Interlanguage links should
also be passed to a template as a parameter, so that users who only import
one translation can hide them easily (by removing the parameter).
I have laid out some basic editorial guidelines for working on pages in
the Help: namespace of your language:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents
This also includes a modified Template:Hc which shows how interlanguage
links can work.
The gist of it is that we must make sure that the pages in the namespace
can be imported by *any project*, Wikimedia or not, without changes
(except to a handful of templates).
Once the pages have stabilized, we should clean out the Help: namespaces
of all Wikimedia projects and import the meta pages instead. We can then
upgrade them regularly (even daily) and automatically on all wikis.
The project namespace ("Wikipedia:", "Wikisource:" etc.) should then be
used strictly for policy.
I propose that the Help: namespace be used both for user and
administration documentation (installation guidelines etc.), so we can
move towards a single neatly integrated handbook.
I invite all interested parties to participate in consolidating our
documentation.
Regards,
Erik
Brion Vibber wrote:
> Modified Files:
> Tag: REL1_3
> Article.php
> Log Message:
> Reverting last patch which causes "Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object" on old page views. Please test patches prior to check-in.
Sorry, Brion. Yes, I know I should test it, but running REL1_3 would
require me to create a whole new DB and everything.
The error was just that I forgot a "global $wgUser;". 'Tis all ...
Timwi
Something got wrong during an image upload, and now this image:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Moskwaherb.jpg
Cannot be delete with the usual interface. It says that it cannot delete
this file:
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/wikipedia.org/upload/it/archive/e/ec/20040901203504!Moskwaherb.jpg
and stops. I tried to overwrite the image and delete it again (a trick
that worked on another image), but this time it didn't work.
Can any developer remove this file and page, and anyone has an idea of
what's wrong?
Alfio
Dear friends,
I run several wikis sharing the same common modules
/home/www/wiki1
--Index.php
--LocalSettings1.php
/home/www/wiki1/images
/home/www/wiki1//includes --> is symbolic link to
/home/www/wikishare/includes
/home/www/wiki2
--Index.php
--LocalSettings.php
/home/www/wiki2/images
/home/www/wiki2//includes --> is symbolic link to
/home/www/wikishare/includes
/home/www/wiki3
--Index.php
/home/www/wiki3/images
/home/www/wiki3//includes --> is symbolic link to
/home/www/wikishare/includes
Basically, all wikis
- have indepent start files index.php and LocalSettings.php
- have indepent upload areas /images
- but share the same common modules (includes, stylesheets,
stylesheets/images) in /home/www/wikishare subdirectories
My question:
How can I achieve, that they all share the same MediaWiki:namespace so
that changes in one of Wiki's are reflected in the others without
manually copying pages between the wikis ?
I would like to open a page for these answers (re. multi-wiki services)
on meta.wikipedia.org
Tom
Hello,
the image copyright problem is still largely unresolved. On the English
wikipedia there are about 90.000 images, and a smaller but growing number
of images in the other wikipedias.
I saw on [[:en:Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags]] that some users have
started categorizing images using templates like {{PD}}, {{GFDL}} and so
on placed in the image description pages. I think this is very useful for
semi-automatic sorting of the various images for different purposes (and
outright deletion of the illegal ones).
Since we are about to do the same on the Italian wiki, I wrote a small
Perl script to read a database dump and write out several image lists,
one for each template, listing which images contain that particular
template, and an "unassigned" list for image without any template. Each
list is in wiki format, ready to be copied-and-pasted into a wikipedia
page if needed. We plan to use the tool on it: to generate lists of images
still to be categorized.
Of course all this can be done with a few clever SQL queries, but not all
of us have access to the DB or mysql installed.
In case anyone wants to use it the URL is
http://www.tommasoconforti.com/wiki/tools/images.pl.gz
The number of lines in each generated file is the number of images with
that particular template. For example this is the situation for the Aug 28
english dump, showing that a bit less of 25% of the images have a
proper template:
$ wc -l *
73 CopyrightedFreeUse
229 CopyrightedFreeUseProvided
13 CrownCopyright
10373 GFDL
56 GPL
2 LGPL
5864 PD
1 PD_USGov
104 PermissionAndFairUse
33 Sovietpd
66 copyrighted
3503 fairuse
1 freefairusein
237 images.pl
253 noncommercial
137 noncommercialProvided
64568 unassigned
131 unknown
1984 unverified
18 verifieduse
87646 total
Processing the dump takes a while, especially if it must be decompressed
on the way.
Alfio
Gerard Meijssen a écrit:
> Gemet is the "GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus". This
> thesaurus is maintained by the European Environment Agency. It contains
> a 5200 + glossary with translations of the words to 20+ languages and
> descriptions in a few. The EEA wants to have this information in a wiki
> format, the data is open content.
>
> Mr Stefan Jensen, the project manager did sent me a mail as I am
> preparing to upload a botanical glossary into wiktionary (I said so on
> the wiktionary list). As the GEMET data is already on-line on the
> internet, and much better structured than the data that I have, I would
> first break my teeth on this one and then progress to my own glossary.
>
> However, I received a mail which shows how much he would appreciate
> cooperation; all kinds of people who have expertise in area's like
> Semantic Web, Ontologies, Thesaury, Topic Maps, XML, RDF, OASIS ... have
> had my mail forwarded. I have created an article on Meta [[GEneral
> Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus]]. I copied the mail to the talk page.
>
> My plans are simple I want to upload this stuff into nl:Wiktionary. I
> also plan to tag them with a [[Categorie:GEMET]]. When I have been
> succesfull, I will also be able to upload it to other wiktionaries. When
> somebody beats me to it, I will only be pleased.
>
> As I have seen many a time on Wikitech stuff about XML etc, it might be
> a good idea to synchronise what GEMET does and what we do. So please
> discuss this preferably on Meta, or on the lists. I have no good idea
> about how difficult this may prove to be.. Again, information on META.
>
> Thanks,
> GerardM
Gérard, I am very interested in this project, which might be a
complement to another one planned on fr. I quickly put a word on the
topic on meta, and am ready to participate with you on this (ehhh, as
soon as I have time... ). ant
Gemet is the "GEneral Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus". This
thesaurus is maintained by the European Environment Agency. It contains
a 5200 + glossary with translations of the words to 20+ languages and
descriptions in a few. The EEA wants to have this information in a wiki
format, the data is open content.
Mr Stefan Jensen, the project manager did sent me a mail as I am
preparing to upload a botanical glossary into wiktionary (I said so on
the wiktionary list). As the GEMET data is already on-line on the
internet, and much better structured than the data that I have, I would
first break my teeth on this one and then progress to my own glossary.
However, I received a mail which shows how much he would appreciate
cooperation; all kinds of people who have expertise in area's like
Semantic Web, Ontologies, Thesaury, Topic Maps, XML, RDF, OASIS ... have
had my mail forwarded. I have created an article on Meta [[GEneral
Multilingual Environmental Thesaurus]]. I copied the mail to the talk page.
My plans are simple I want to upload this stuff into nl:Wiktionary. I
also plan to tag them with a [[Categorie:GEMET]]. When I have been
succesfull, I will also be able to upload it to other wiktionaries. When
somebody beats me to it, I will only be pleased.
As I have seen many a time on Wikitech stuff about XML etc, it might be
a good idea to synchronise what GEMET does and what we do. So please
discuss this preferably on Meta, or on the lists. I have no good idea
about how difficult this may prove to be.. Again, information on META.
Thanks,
GerardM
Greetings all,
I understand that there is a wiki plug in for Slash and I was wondering if there are any Wiki developers who know enough about Slash to point me to one which works because I'm having a hard time trying to find an example of one.
Malcolm Lawrence
Editor-in-Chief
Babel: The multilingual, multicultural
online journal and community of arts and ideas.
http://www.towerofbabel.com
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I particularly like how the default skin has a horizontal line below each H1,
H2, etc element. I wanted to emulate it for my own site and saw that it uses the
class "firstHeading". Try as I might though, I could not actually find where
"firstHeading" was defined. Could someone please help me with this?
Thanks,
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