விக்கிப்பீடியா பன்னாட்டுப்பிரிவு மடற்குழுவில் சூ' கா'ர்டனர் (Sue Gardner)
விக்கிப் பயன்பாடு பற்றிய செய்திகளைக் கோரியதையடுத்து மாங்குடி நடுநிலைப்பள்ளியில்
தமிழ் விக்கி பயன்படுத்தப்படுவதைச் சுட்டி அது தொடர்பாகத் தகவல் சேர்த்திருந்த
இரவியையும் இணைத்து மடல் அனுப்பியிருந்தேன். அதைத் தொடர்ந்து பள்ளி மாணவர்களுக்கான
தமிழ் விக்கித்தொகுதி (தேர்ந்தெடுத்த விக்கிப்பீடியா கட்டுரைகள் + விக்சனரி) ஒன்றை
உருவாக்கி பள்ளிகளுக்குத் தரும் திட்டம் ஒன்றில் விக்கிமீடியா அலுவலர் செச்'சீ'
(Jessie Wild) ஆர்வம் காட்டி வருகிறார். இது தொடர்பாக இரவியும் நானும் அவருடன்
நடத்திய உரையாடல் கீழே உள்ளது. விரைவில் இத்திட்டத்தைத் தொடங்கலாம்.
- சுந்தர்
"That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for
the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>
To: Jessie Wild <jwild(a)wikimedia.org>
Cc: ravishankar.ayyakkannu(a)gmail.com
Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 4:20:45 PM
Subject: Re: Qs regarding village school & WP
Sorry for the delay on our part, Jessie.
The Kenyan project is a useful project to learn from.
Though we have a list at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikita-l,
we still use the Village Pump to begin most of the discussions.
Perhaps we can start a thread on the list or on meta and put a note at
http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:VP?
- Sundar
"That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for
the expression of thought, is a truth generally
admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
----- Original Message ----
From: Jessie Wild <jwild(a)wikimedia.org>
To: BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>
Cc: ravishankar.ayyakkannu(a)gmail.com
Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 12:58:10 AM
Subject: Re: Qs regarding village school & WP
Thanks for the thorough answers - it's so great you've thought through
so many of these things so carefully.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with the project in Kenya that is
somewhat comparable:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Kenya/Project_for_Kenyan_Schools
In terms of next steps, I think you are right in suggesting to put up a
proposal on a wiki. I think the approach the Kenyan Wikimedians have
taken to project planning is quite thorough and consequently very
helpful, and constructing something similar for Tamil Nadu could
likewise be beneficial.
I would suggest getting other members of the Tamil community onboard
with the planning as soon as possible; is there a list serve that I
should get on to follow the conversations?
Jessie
On 11/18/2010 9:31 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:
>> I definitely agree that the offline versions will be useful, and the
>type of
> >>
> >> project you are describing is exactly the type of offline work I am
>helping
> >> orchestrate - so yes: let's brainstorm and work together on
this!
> > Thanks a lot, Jessie. :)
> >
> >> * For the Tamil Wikipedia project, is this the same project proposed
back in
>>
>> 2007, or is it an extension of it? I am curious of this ever got
off
> >> the
> >>
> >> ground initially.
> > It derives from the same thought, but the earlier project did not go
>anywhere.
> > At present, we have more editors and hence will be able to curate
content
> > easily.
> > We also have richer content on many interesting topics.
> >
> >> * Also, I am curious what are you thinking for the collection of
>articles to
> >>
> >> be included on the CD. Would you want the whole Tamil
>Wikipedia/Wiktionary
> >> collection? Or would you go through the process of screening the
>articles to
> >>
> >> make sure they were student appropriate / of high academic
quality?
> We're
only thinking of releasing a selection of articles based on quality
(we've
> just started with a rating system),
> interestingness and suitability for students, and comprehensiveness.
> WikiProject Indian Mammals and articles on chemical elements form a good
> collection to share with students.
> The above are only examples, we can select articles from across several
> categories.
>
>> * In addition, in regards to article selection (above point), would
the
Tamil
Nadu government need to approve the articles that were being
distributed into schools?
Yes, perhaps. Due to our prior engagement with them
in the recently
conducted
article writing contest sponsored by the
Government of Tamil Nadu,
co-ordination
> would be easier. We have points of contact in the IT department,
Department
>of
> > Translation, and the Department of Education in fairly senior levels.
The
Director of Tamil Virtual Academy is also a keen
supporter of Tamil
Wikipedia
(and an occasional editor).
* Why CD? Why not USB? Just curious!
I
just thought CDs are less expensive. We can certainly evaluate USB
storage.
>
>
>> * How are you thinking of getting the CDs to the different schools?
Who is
>> going to download the materials onto the school computers? Will
there
(or
>> does there need to be) any training involved?
> We should take the help of the School Education department who have
existing
> > channels.
> > Some amount of training will be required. The Government already trains
>selected
> > teachers in each District on various skills and then encourages them to
train
> their colleagues. We can follow the same model. It might require us to
offer
> training in approximately 40 locations.
> Or we can do it at the zonal level, say, in 5-8 locations.
>
> Please suggest how we can take this forward.
> Perhaps put up a proposal on an appropriate wiki if we're satisfied with
the
> skeleton?
>
> - Sundar
>
>
> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a
medium
for
> the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
>
>
>> From: Jessie Wild<jwild(a)wikimedia.org>
>> To: BalaSundaraRaman<sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>
>> Cc:ravishankar.ayyakkannu@gmail.com
>> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 4:45:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: Qs regarding village school& WP
>>
>> Thanks, Sundar.
>>
>> I definitely agree that the offline versions will be useful, and the
type of
>>
>> project you are describing is exactly the type of offline work I
am
>helping
> >> orchestrate - so yes: let's brainstorm and work together on
this!
> >>
> >>
> >> A couple questions to get our conversations going:
> >> * For the Tamil Wikipedia project, is this the same project proposed
back in
>>
>> 2007, or is it an extension of it? I am curious of this ever got
off
> >> the
> >>
> >> ground initially.
> >>
> >> * Also, I am curious what are you thinking for the collection of
>articles to
> >>
> >> be included on the CD. Would you want the whole Tamil
>Wikipedia/Wiktionary
> >> collection? Or would you go through the process of screening the
>articles to
> >>
> >> make sure they were student appropriate / of high academic
quality?
>>
>> * In addition, in regards to article selection (above point), would
the
>> Tamil Nadu government need to approve
the articles that were being
>> distributed into schools?
>>
>> * Why CD? Why not USB? Just curious!
>>
>> * How are you thinking of getting the CDs to the different schools?
Who is
>> going to download the materials onto the school computers? Will
there
(or
>> does there need to be) any training involved?
>>
>>
>> Sorry for the many questions - hopefully they'll push us closer to
some
>> productive movement!
>> Jessie
>>
>>
>> On 11/17/2010 7:05 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:
>> Hi Jessie,
>>> On another note, we at Tamil Wikipedia have been discussing
>ways to
> >>> publish an offline edition (primarily CD-based) of
selected
articles
> >from Tamil Wikipedia and possibly the
whole of Tamil
Wiktionary. Will
>>
>>> you be interested in helping with this?
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be useful in schools, because the TN government
has
provided
>>>
>>> almost every school with a couple of computers. In fact,
they're
also
>> training the teachers (including my mom)
in basic computer
usage. With
>>>
>>> an offline edition, students can immediately benefit
regardless
of
>>> whether they have access to the internet.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Sundar
>>>
> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely
a
>medium
> >
> > for the expression of thought, is a truth generally
admitted."
> >>> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Jessie Wild<jwild(a)wikimedia.org>
> >>>> To:sundarbecse@yahoo.com;ravishankar.ayyakkannu@gmail.com
> >>>> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:56:55 AM
> >>>> Subject: Qs regarding village school& WP
> >>>>
> >>>> Sundar / Ravishankar -
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for sharing this wonderful story below! What a
great
>>>> example of how WP can be useful in schools.
>>>>
>>>> So, I'm working on the development and deployment of
> offline
>>>> Wikipedia, and the areas we think will be most
effective
>to get
> >>>> into are schools in areas without consistent access
to
Internet.
>>>> To that end, hearing this story raised a couple
immediate
>>>> questions in my mind which
I thought I'd ask you:
>>>>
>>>> (1) What was this school's connection to the Internet?
That is,
>>> were they connecting to
Wikipedia/Wiktionary online?
>>> (2) What exactly is a "state-funded free education
school"? Does
>>>>
>>>> that just mean that students do not have to pay to
attend,
or is
>>>> this a specific type of school (sorry, I am not
familiar
with the
>>> phrase so just want to
make sure I understand!)?
>>> (3) Why did Mr. Jothimani choose to use
Wikipedia/Wiktionary over
>>>>
>>>> other sources?
>>>> (4) Do we know if the students had used Wikipedia prior
to
the
>>>> launch of this project? Had the teachers?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you both so much; what an awesome story!
>>>> Jessie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/16/2010 8:15 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:
>>>> Hi Sue, I just got reminded of the following story about how students
and staff
>>>>
>>>> of a village school benefited from Tamil Wikipedia. We found this
from
an
>>>> article in a magazine called "pudhiya thalaimurai" (New
Generation)
and
another
>>>>
>>>> blogpost.[1] It is about how a school headmaster Mr.Jothimani
transformed
the
>>>> state-funded free education school at a village Mangudi near
Kumbakonam
in
>>>> Tamil Nadu. Among others, it includes a section on how Tamil
Wikipedia
>and
> >>>> Wiktionary are being used by the students and staff.
Subsequently, a
Tamil
>>>> Wikipedian Ravishankar Ayyakkannu (User:Ravidreams) called
Mr.Jothimani
over
>>>> phone and collected more information. He wrote the findings in the
Tamil
>>> Wikipedia blogpost.[2] Translation of some excerpts: * Students of
sixth,
>>>> seventh, and eighth standard (aged ~11-13) use Tamil Wikipedia. *
One
>class
> >>>> everyday is dedicated for Wikipedia during school hours. During
this
period,
>>>> students research about the topics that they learned that day in
other
classes
>>>> (examples below). If they need to access the Wiki for their home
work,
writing
>>>> or speaking contests, students spend time online during lunch or
>>> after hours.
>>>> * They find the information accessible most of the time. * Teachers
too
find it
>>>>
>>>> useful. * They felt that they could use more of local information
about
>their
> >>>> district and about Tamil Nadu and India in general. * Example
use
cases: if
>>> the teacher gives a topic
"statesmen", students look for Nehru,
Kamarajar,
>>> etc., If they give a story writing
contest of the title "a story of
itself told
>>>>
>>>> by River Cauvery", they search for the article on the river and
write
the
>>>> details in first person. They also go find other interlinked articles
on
Coorg,
>>>>
>>>> Poombuhar, etc., and get excited about their findings. The headmaster
>finds
> >>>> that the students' creative expression has clearly increased
after
introducing
>>>> Tamil Wikipedia. A student who would write 20 sentences on a topic
now
writes
>>>> 60 sentences. * They also use the Tamil Wiktionary which has nearly
two
>hundred
> >>>>
> >>>> thousand entries including technical glossaries donated by the
Tamil
Virtual
>>>> Academy. Given that typically students in such remote villages do
not
>have
> >>>> access to much information, the utility of this exposure is
immense.
>Also, most
> >>>>
> >>>> of the students of state-run schools come from under-previleged
and
>low-income
> >>>> families. Given that, this helps to even out the systemic bias
>somewhat. I've
> >>>> taken the liberty to copy Ravishankar who spoke to the
headmaster.
-
> Sundar
>>>> [1] -http://infinityholes.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post.html (in
Tamil)
[2] -
Tamil)
"That
>>>>
>>>> language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
for
the
>>>> expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." - George
Boole,
quoted in
>>>>
>>>> Iverson's Turing Award Lecture ----- Original Message ----
>>>>
>>>>> From: Sue Gardner<sgardner(a)wikimedia.org> To: "Local
Chapters, board
and
>>>> officers coordination (closed
subscription)"<Internal-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 12:01:48 PM Subject: [Internal-l]
Looking
for
>>>>> stories of readers affected by Wikipedia Hi folks, Megan
Hernandez
on
the
>>>>> staff is looking out for me, for stories of readers whose lives
have
>been
> >>>>> impacted by Wikipedia or the other projects. (Donors often
send us
stories like
>>>>
>>>> that, and I am often looking for stories to tell people about the
projects. So
>>>>> I've asked her to send good ones to me.) I was writing her a
set
of
criteria
>>>>> for the kinds of stories I want, and it occurred to me that you
might
>>>>> yourselves have some good
stories of exactly this kind. So I am
sending
>along
> >>>>> the criteria here too :-) If you have stories that fit
many/all of
these
>>>>> criteria, please send them to me, onlist or off. And please
forgive
my
>>>>> cross-posting to several
lists at once. Thanks, Sue * Ideally,
they'd
be
>>>>> along the theme of "how Wikipedia made my life better."
This might
be
an
>>>>> anecdote, or bigger-picture (ie, 'how Wikipedia makes my life
better
every
>>>> day'). * Ideally, they
would be stories of people who
>>>> pre-exposure-to-Wikipedia would have had circumscribed access to
information.
>>>>> Because they grew up in a small town with no library, because
their
school
>>>> didn't stock certain kinds
of books, because materials in their
language are of
>>>>>
>>>>> limited availability, because their government limits access to
certain
types
>>>>> of information -- in general, because their
>>>> economic/political/socio-cultural
>>>>> circumstances somehow impede(d) easy access to information. *
Ideally,
the
>>>> information that Wikipedia gives
them is important, and directly,
immediately
>>>>> useful. Like, it helped them better understand a health issue
they
were
having,
>>>>>
>>>>> or it equipped them to do some important task better; it helped
them
understand
>>>>>
>>>>> a new situation or some aspect of themselves, or enabled them to
solve
an
>>>> important problem. Maybe it
helped them get a job they otherwise
couldn't have
>>>> gotten, or enabled them to avoid
some specific danger or risk. *
And/or, the
>>>>> information fed a general curiosity and desire to understand the
world
better.
>>>>> It got them interested in going to college which nobody in their
family
had
>>>>> done before, it helped them develop a more thoughtful position
on a
public
>>>>> policy issue, it stimulated them to travel or read more widely,
or
to
question
>>>>>
>>>>> assumptions they had been making. * Ideally, their lives are
better
>today
> >>>>> because of the information they are exposed to via Wikipedia.
Maybe
this would
>>>>> be better in some really specific way -- like, "Three months
later
I
persuaded
>>>>> my doctor to let me try the new treatment, and it worked."
Or, it
might
be much
>>>>>
>>>>> more general. * It is fine if the information they found on
Wikipedia
might
>>>>> otherwise have been kept from them, either deliberately or
through
lack
of easy
>>>>
>>>> opportunity. It is fine if the information is considered risky or
controversial
>>>>>
>>>>> in some way. Sue Gardner Executive Director Wikimedia
Foundation
415 839
>>>>> 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell Imagine a world in which every
single
human
>>>>> being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make
it
a
>>>>>
reality!http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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