அடுத்த கட்ட நடவடிக்கைகளைத் தொடங்க வேண்டும். இலினக்சு குழமத்துடன் நாம்
தொடங்கியுள்ள திட்டத்தோடு இணைத்து விடலாமா? இந்தத் திட்டங்களுக்குப் பொறுப்பாளராக
செயல்பட ஒருவர் முன்வர வேண்டும். யாருக்கு விருப்பம் உள்ளது?
- சுந்தர்
"That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for
the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Jessie Wild <jwild(a)wikimedia.org>
To: BalaSundaraRaman <sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>
Cc: ravishankar.ayyakkannu(a)gmail.com
Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 11:44:17 PM
Subject: Re: Qs regarding village school & WP
Sure - if you would like to begin the discussion on Village Pump that
would be great! I think a lot of the questions we walked briefly through
are the ones where some community support would be needed. Specifically:
Immediate support:
1 - Selecting the articles/creating collections of articles.
2 - Creating training materials on how to use WP and how to incorporate
it into the classroom
3 - Working with government officials on distribution policies
Future support:
4 - Distributing/installing software
5 - Conducting teacher trainings
As you probably suspect, I don't understand Tamil, so I'd love if you'd
just keep me in the loop with what happens on the Tamil and village pump :)
Jessie
On 11/24/2010 2:50 AM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:
Sorry for the delay on our part, Jessie.
The Kenyan project is a useful project to learn from.
Though we have a list at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikita-l,
we still use the Village Pump to begin most of
the discussions.
Perhaps we can start a thread on the list or on meta and put a note at
http://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:VP?
- Sundar
"That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
for
the expression of thought, is a truth generally
admitted."
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
----- Original Message ----
> From: Jessie Wild<jwild(a)wikimedia.org>
> To: BalaSundaraRaman<sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>
> Cc: ravishankar.ayyakkannu(a)gmail.com
> Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 12:58:10 AM
> Subject: Re: Qs regarding village school& WP
>
> Thanks for the thorough answers - it's so great you've thought through
> so many of these things so carefully.
>
> I'm not sure if you are familiar with the project in Kenya that is
> somewhat comparable:
>
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Kenya/Project_for_Kenyan_Schools
>
> In terms of next steps, I think you are right in suggesting to put up a
> proposal on a wiki. I think the approach the Kenyan Wikimedians have
> taken to project planning is quite thorough and consequently very
> helpful, and constructing something similar for Tamil Nadu could
> likewise be beneficial.
>
> I would suggest getting other members of the Tamil community onboard
> with the planning as soon as possible; is there a list serve that I
> should get on to follow the conversations?
>
> Jessie
>
> On 11/18/2010 9:31 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:
>>> I definitely agree that the offline versions will be useful, and the
> type of
>>> project you are describing is exactly the type of offline work I am
> helping
>>> orchestrate - so yes: let's brainstorm and work together on
this!
>> Thanks a lot, Jessie. :)
>>
>>> * For the Tamil Wikipedia project, is this the same project proposed
> back in
>>> 2007, or is it an extension of it? I am curious of this ever got
off
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> ground initially.
>>> It derives from the same thought, but the earlier project did not go
>> anywhere.
>>> At present, we have more editors and hence will be able to curate
content
>>> easily.
>>> We also have richer content on many interesting topics.
>>>
>>>> * Also, I am curious what are you thinking for the collection of
>> articles to
>>>> be included on the CD. Would you want the whole Tamil
>> Wikipedia/Wiktionary
>>>> collection? Or would you go through the process of screening the
>> articles to
>>>> make sure they were student appropriate / of high academic
quality?
>>> We're only thinking of releasing a
selection of articles based on
quality
>> (we've
>>> just started with a rating system),
>>> interestingness and suitability for students, and comprehensiveness.
>>> WikiProject Indian Mammals and articles on chemical elements form a
good
>>
collection to share with students.
>> The above are only examples, we can select articles from across several
>> categories.
>>
>>> * In addition, in regards to article selection (above point), would
> the
>>> Tamil Nadu government need to approve the articles that were being
>>> distributed into schools?
>> Yes, perhaps. Due to our prior engagement with them in the recently
> conducted
>> article writing contest sponsored by the Government of Tamil Nadu,
> co-ordination
>> would be easier. We have points of contact in the IT department,
Department
>> of
>>> Translation, and the Department of Education in fairly senior levels.
The
>>
Director of Tamil Virtual Academy is also a keen supporter of Tamil
> Wikipedia
>> (and an occasional editor).
>>
>>> * Why CD? Why not USB? Just curious!
>> I just thought CDs are less expensive. We can certainly evaluate USB
> storage.
>>
>>> * How are you thinking of getting the CDs to the different schools?
> Who is
>>> going to download the materials onto the school computers? Will
there
>> (or
>>>> does there need to be) any training involved?
>>> We should take the help of the School Education department who have
> existing
>>> channels.
>>> Some amount of training will be required. The Government already trains
>> selected
>>> teachers in each District on various skills and then encourages them to
>> train
>>> their colleagues. We can follow the same model. It might require us to
> offer
>>> training in approximately 40 locations.
>>> Or we can do it at the zonal level, say, in 5-8 locations.
>>>
>>> Please suggest how we can take this forward.
>>> Perhaps put up a proposal on an appropriate wiki if we're satisfied
with
> the
>> skeleton?
>>
>> - Sundar
>>
>>
>> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a
medium
> for
>> the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
>> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
>>
>>
>>> From: Jessie Wild<jwild(a)wikimedia.org>
>>> To: BalaSundaraRaman<sundarbecse(a)yahoo.com>
>>> Cc:ravishankar.ayyakkannu@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 4:45:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Qs regarding village school& WP
>>>
>>> Thanks, Sundar.
>>>
>>> I definitely agree that the offline versions will be useful, and the
> type of
>>> project you are describing is exactly the type of offline work I am
> helping
>>> orchestrate - so yes: let's brainstorm and work together on this!
>>>
>>>
>>> A couple questions to get our conversations going:
>>> * For the Tamil Wikipedia project, is this the same project proposed
> back in
>>> 2007, or is it an extension of it? I am curious of this ever got
off
>>> the
>>>
>>> ground initially.
>>>
>>> * Also, I am curious what are you thinking for the collection of
> articles to
>>> be included on the CD. Would you want the whole Tamil
> Wikipedia/Wiktionary
>>> collection? Or would you go through the process of screening the
> articles to
>>> make sure they were student appropriate / of high academic
quality?
>>
>> * In addition, in regards to article selection (above point), would
the
>>> Tamil Nadu government need to approve the articles that were being
>>> distributed into schools?
>>>
>>> * Why CD? Why not USB? Just curious!
>>>
>>> * How are you thinking of getting the CDs to the different schools?
> Who is
>>> going to download the materials onto the school computers? Will
there
(or
>> does there need to be) any training involved?
>>
>>
>> Sorry for the many questions - hopefully they'll push us closer to
some
>>> productive movement!
>>> Jessie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/17/2010 7:05 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:
>>> Hi Jessie,
>>>> On another note, we at Tamil Wikipedia have been discussing
> ways to
>>>> publish an offline edition (primarily CD-based) of selected
> articles
>>> >from Tamil Wikipedia and possibly the whole of Tamil
> Wiktionary. Will
>>>> you be interested in helping with this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This will be useful in schools, because the TN government
has
> provided
>>>> almost every school with a couple of computers. In fact,
they're
> also
>>>> training the teachers (including my mom) in basic computer
> usage. With
>>>> an offline edition, students can immediately benefit
regardless
> of
>>>> whether they have access to the internet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Sundar
>>>>
>> "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely
a
> medium
>> for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted."
>>>> - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Jessie Wild<jwild(a)wikimedia.org>
>>>>> To:sundarbecse@yahoo.com;ravishankar.ayyakkannu@gmail.com
>>>>> Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 12:56:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Qs regarding village school& WP
>>>>>
>>>>> Sundar / Ravishankar -
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for sharing this wonderful story below! What a
> great
>>>>> example of how WP can be useful in schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I'm working on the development and deployment of
>> offline
>>>>> Wikipedia, and the areas we think will be most
effective
> to get
>>>>> into are schools in areas without consistent access
to
> Internet.
>>>>> To that end, hearing this story raised a couple
immediate
>>>>> questions in my mind which
I thought I'd ask you:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) What was this school's connection to the Internet?
> That is,
>>>>> were they connecting to Wikipedia/Wiktionary
online?
>>>>> (2) What exactly is a "state-funded free education
> school"? Does
>>>>> that just mean that students do not have to pay to
attend,
> or is
>>>>> this a specific type of school (sorry, I am not
familiar
> with the
>>>>> phrase so just want to make sure I understand!)?
>>>>> (3) Why did Mr. Jothimani choose to use
> Wikipedia/Wiktionary over
>>>>> other sources?
>>>>> (4) Do we know if the students had used Wikipedia prior
to
>> the
>>>>>> launch of this project? Had the teachers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you both so much; what an awesome story!
>>>>>> Jessie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/16/2010 8:15 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Sue, I just got reminded of the following story about how
students
> and
staff
>>>>> of a village school benefited from Tamil Wikipedia. We found this
from
> an
>>>>> article in a magazine called "pudhiya thalaimurai" (New
Generation)
and
> another
>>>>> blogpost.[1] It is about how a school headmaster Mr.Jothimani
transformed
> the
>>>>> state-funded free education school at a village Mangudi near
Kumbakonam
> in
>>>>> Tamil Nadu. Among others, it includes a section on how Tamil
Wikipedia
> and
>>>>> Wiktionary are being used by the students and staff. Subsequently,
a
> Tamil
>>>>> Wikipedian Ravishankar Ayyakkannu (User:Ravidreams) called
Mr.Jothimani
> over
>>>>> phone and collected more information. He wrote the findings in the
Tamil
>>>>> Wikipedia blogpost.[2]
Translation of some excerpts: * Students of
> sixth,
>>>>> seventh, and eighth standard (aged ~11-13) use Tamil Wikipedia. *
One
> class
>>>>> everyday is dedicated for Wikipedia during school hours. During
this
> period,
>>>>> students research about the topics that they learned that day in
other
> classes
>>>>> (examples below). If they need to access the Wiki for their home
work,
> writing
>>>>> or speaking contests, students spend time online during lunch or
>>>> after hours.
>>>>> * They find the information accessible most of the time. *
Teachers
too
> find it
>>>>> useful. * They felt that they could use more of local information
about
>> their
>>>>>> district and about Tamil Nadu and India in general. *
Example use
>> cases: if
>>>>>> the teacher gives a topic "statesmen", students look
for Nehru,
>> Kamarajar,
>>>>>> etc., If they give a story writing contest of the title
"a story of
>> itself told
>>>>>> by River Cauvery", they search for the article on the
river and
write
> the
>>>>> details in first person. They also go find other interlinked
articles on
>> Coorg,
>>>>>> Poombuhar, etc., and get excited about their findings. The
headmaster
> finds
>>>>> that the students' creative expression has clearly increased
after
> introducing
>>>>> Tamil Wikipedia. A student who would write 20 sentences on a topic
now
> writes
>>>>> 60 sentences. * They also use the Tamil Wiktionary which has
nearly
two
> hundred
>>>>> thousand entries including technical glossaries donated by the
Tamil
> Virtual
>>>>> Academy. Given that typically students in such remote villages
do
not
> have
>>>>> access to much information, the utility of this exposure is
immense.
> Also, most
>>>>> of the students of state-run schools come from under-previleged
and
> low-income
>>>>> families. Given that, this helps to even out the systemic bias
> somewhat. I've
>>>>> taken the liberty to copy Ravishankar who spoke to the headmaster.
-
>> Sundar
>>>>> [1] -http://infinityholes.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post.html (in
Tamil)
>> [2] -
>>>>>>
http://tamilwikipedia.blogspot.com/2009/10/blog-post_5826.html (in
>> Tamil) "That
>>>>>> language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a
medium
for
>> the
>>>>>> expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." -
George
Boole,
> quoted
in
>>>>> Iverson's Turing Award Lecture ----- Original Message
----
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Sue Gardner<sgardner(a)wikimedia.org> To:
"Local Chapters,
board
> and
>>>>>> officers coordination (closed
> subscription)"<Internal-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 12:01:48 PM Subject: [Internal-l]
Looking
> for
>>>>>> stories of readers affected by Wikipedia Hi folks, Megan
Hernandez
on
>> the
>>>>>>> staff is looking out for me, for stories of readers whose
lives
have
>> been
>>>>>>> impacted by Wikipedia or the other projects. (Donors
often send us
>> stories like
>>>>>>> that, and I am often looking for stories to tell people
about the
>> projects. So
>>>>>>> I've asked her to send good ones to me.) I was
writing her a set
of
> criteria
>>>>>> for the kinds of stories I want, and it occurred to me that you
might
>>>>>> yourselves have some
good stories of exactly this kind. So I am
sending
> along
>>>>>> the criteria here too :-) If you have stories that fit many/all
of
> these
>>>>>> criteria, please send them to me, onlist or off. And please
forgive
my
>>>>>> cross-posting to several
lists at once. Thanks, Sue * Ideally,
they'd
> be
>>>>>> along the theme of "how Wikipedia made my life
better." This might
be
>> an
>>>>>>> anecdote, or bigger-picture (ie, 'how Wikipedia makes
my life
better
> every
>>>>>> day'). * Ideally, they would be stories of people who
>>>>>> pre-exposure-to-Wikipedia would have had circumscribed access
to
> information.
>>>>>> Because they grew up in a small town with no library, because
their
> school
>>>>>> didn't stock certain kinds of books, because materials in
their
> language are of
>>>>>> limited availability, because their government limits access
to
certain
> types
>>>>>> of information -- in general, because their
>>>>> economic/political/socio-cultural
>>>>>> circumstances somehow impede(d) easy access to information. *
Ideally,
> the
>>>>>> information that Wikipedia gives them is important, and
directly,
> immediately
>>>>>> useful. Like, it helped them better understand a health issue
they
were
>> having,
>>>>>>> or it equipped them to do some important task better; it
helped
them
>
understand
>>>>>> a new situation or some aspect of themselves, or enabled them
to
solve
> an
>>>>>> important problem. Maybe it helped them get a job they
otherwise
> couldn't have
>>>>>> gotten, or enabled them to avoid some specific danger or risk.
*
> And/or, the
>>>>>> information fed a general curiosity and desire to understand
the
world
> better.
>>>>>> It got them interested in going to college which nobody in
their
family
> had
>>>>>> done before, it helped them develop a more thoughtful position
on a
> public
>>>>>> policy issue, it stimulated them to travel or read more
widely, or
to
>> question
>>>>>>> assumptions they had been making. * Ideally, their lives
are
better
>> today
>>>>>>> because of the information they are exposed to via
Wikipedia. Maybe
>> this would
>>>>>>> be better in some really specific way -- like, "Three
months later
I
>
persuaded
>>>>>> my doctor to let me try the new treatment, and it worked."
Or, it
might
> be much
>>>>>> more general. * It is fine if the information they found on
Wikipedia
> might
>>>>>> otherwise have been kept from them, either deliberately or
through
lack
> of easy
>>>>>> opportunity. It is fine if the information is considered risky
or
> controversial
>>>>>> in some way. Sue Gardner Executive Director Wikimedia
Foundation
>> 415 839
>>>>>>> 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell Imagine a world in which
every
single
> human
>>>>>> being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us
make it
a
>>>>>>>
reality!http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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>
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