I fully subscribe to the analysis of Berto. And I mean
*fully*.
And given this analysis, the question you should ask
yourselves is: Are there *any* Moldovans interested in
this cyrillic script here on wikipedia?
If not, this non-partisan analysis tells us that
mo.wikipedia is just another political tool in a dirty
war.
:en:Dpotop
--- Berto <albertoserra(a)ukr.net> wrote:
Now... I live in Kiev, I am NOT ethnically russian,
slavian or whatever, and
I could not care less for anyone's national
feelings. Actually I suppose the
NPOV policy should simply BAN anyone even just
mentioning them as a decision
criteria. If politics are allowed to be a decision
criteria, then you can
expect a LOT of such quarrels coming up. We all have
political opinions, and
I cannot think of any country in in this planet that
has never had pretty
good reasons for them to feel offended by (at the
very least) some of their
neighbouring peoples, religions, cultures, scripts,
miniskirts,
trolleybuses, etc. Do you want to open this
pandora's box? Go on. Only pls
rename this list into Wikipedia-h (H is for
hooligans), because that's what
it's going to be.
So... living here I meet a number of moldavian (not
transdnistrian)
residents on the net. Bear in mind, I say
*residents* because I simply do
not give a damn about their blood, religion, DNA,
etc. And I believe that
nobody should. This people speak BOTH russian and
moldavian. Since my use of
rumenian languages is limited (I speak IT-4, which
is enough to read most
RO, but definitely not enough to write even just at
RO-1), I usually use my
RU-3 with them. And it works perfectly. Now, RU-3
happens to be written in
cyrillic and so are most of their answers, too (just
a small number of them
using a latin transliteration). Which in turn means
that they either use a
russian interface or type by some sort of charmap.
I read enough *weird* reports about Ukraine at the
time of the "orange
revolution" to know how western journalists that
come here should be valued.
It really depends on which side of the conflict buys
them sex partners, wine
etc. In the most honest cases they sincerely believe
to what their
translators tell them, but simply do not have any
way for them to check
anything of what they are told. Such western reports
have supported all
possible conflicting sides in regional hot spots in
the recent past, mostly
because of this. So I'm really asking myself whether
the press should be
used as a source, when contemporary politics are
even remotely a part of the
issue. Reality is usually much wider and more
complex than the canonic 8.000
symbols a redactor is giving to his journalists for
them to describe an
event.
I don't mean to offend BBC's reputation, actually
they are one of my
favourite and most reliable news sources. I simply
wonder whether the news
*as such* can be used to make a decision at all, no
matter what the source.
After some 6 years in eastern Europe I came to
understand that most of what
we think of it is simply absurd. It is actually
impossible to judge a
foreign culture unless you dont' spend *many* years
in it.
From all practical POVs, moldavians of all kinds do
know cyrillic scripting.
This is because of the trade they have with Ukraine
and Russia, that are
ONLY using cyrillic script(s). The situation will
only get to a further
integration into using cyrillic once Rumenia steps
in the EU and more strict
border checking between Rumenia and Moldavia will be
in place. Many
moldavian products already bear mixed latin/cyrillic
labels for them to be
easily exported here (wine, mainly). The most world
wide known moldavian
band (Zdub si zdob, I believe BTW, they are GREAT)
made a fortune by singing
(also) russian songs and maintains an internet site
in both russian and
moldavian. So it's simply absurd to claim that one
of the two scripts (no
matter which one) could be unknown to the locals,
who definitely have much
more urgent life problems than writing a wiki, but
undoubtedly do trade and
listen to the radio.
Choosing a script or another is mainly a thing at
official level, a thing
dealing with politics only. In reality, people will
simply use them both, no
matter what the local war games end up in deciding,
because BOTH are needed
in practical and economical life, and even the most
radical guys need money
to make a living. Same applies to the (many)
rumenian minorities in Ukraine.
From a practical POV having a latin script is nice
for bringing people
closer to the undisputable source of the rumenian
culture, that is Rumenia.
But on the other hand there are many minorities in
Ukraine that never really
had a formal instruction in the latin script (and
probably never will), but
still speak some rumenian dialect. And the only
script they can manage is
ukrainian and russian cyrillic.
My fivepence worth, because I got to understand that
most people in here
simply does not know what the issue is about. And as
long as we deal with
facts and information on cold NPOV basis I am happy
to help. IMHO the sooner
we manage to detach geopolitics from languages, and
get to speak about
content accessibility in instead, the better we will
work.
Bèrto
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Тема: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Where are the decision
makers?
From the BBC article posted way way back on this
thread it appears
that the schools for ethnically Moldavian children
in Transdniester
actually use the Latin script if they can, and some
times they do it
when they are officially being persecuted. At least
that is what the
article said. As far as I can tell the
(non-moldavian speaking) people
in power are trying (unsuccessfully) to impose this
script. Now it
probably is likely older people in the region still
use it and its
probably in public use but I am not sure you can say
that its in many
schools. At least not to a point where students are
learning it to the
exclusion of the Latin based script.
SKL
Mark Williamson wrote:
It incorrectly represents Moldova? Come on!
Wikipedia uses language as a MEDIUM. If somebody
wants to know about
language they speak
article.
They will NOT go to mo.wikipedia.
And you are clearly not in touch with reality. In
schools east of the
Dniestr river, which teach Moldovan, the Cyrillic
alphabet is taught.
This fact is a fact and you cannot contest it.
This is the usual
script.
Now, unless you want to challenge the territorial
integrity of
Moldova, it seems reasonable to accept that
Moldova is, in fact, a
biscriptal nation.
As Gerard noted, mo-cyr is not acceptable because
it violates conventions.
Mark
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