I think it's you who ignored the whole bidding process until the decision is
made and announced.
The 2008 bid starts right after the 2007 bid is final last September. It's a
year ago and Alexandria showed their interests on Wikimania since 2006
(actually they also joined the 2007 bid and they continued to join the 2008
bid because they lose in the 2007 bid).
IMHO, if you really care about Wikimania, you should have aware of this and
should argue before the decision is made.
Ted (Hsiang-Tai)
From: Jason Safoutin
Then it seems they ignored it or at lest decided that they didn't care
enough to factor in those rights or lack there of.
James Hare wrote:
> For the record, the jury WAS asked about Egypt and LGBT rights
>
> On 10/11/07, *Jason Safoutin* <jason.safoutin(a)wikinewsie.org
> <mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org>> wrote:
>
> The jury should have done that this time around and the time before.
> This is not rocket science and it is very well known how the
Egyptian
> government treats their people etc. If the
jury cannot look past the
> glitter and fame, then they need not be the decision makers. We have
> just as muchh right as anyone else to be there and we should not
> have to
> feel unwanted or discriminated against because the decision is
> final. It
> is an outrage and it is *offensive* to people like me who are gay
more
> than speaking out against this.
>
> We have no effect on the decision and its not our decision to
> make. It
> seems that they did not make this decision on available information
> because if they did they would have seen how brutal the regime is
and
> its easy to find...just google Egypt gay and
human rights.
>
> Ilya Haykinson wrote:
> > Jason,
> >
> > The decision for 2008 has been made. If you feel uncomfortable
> > attending the conference in Egypt then feel free to stay away --
> I am
> > sure that we'd rather have seen you there, but nobody is forcing
> > anyone to go.
> >
> > I am sure that your point about paying closer attention to the
> > country's laws and regulations related to discrimination has been
> > noted, and I'm sure that the Wikimania 2009 jury will pay even
more
attention to this point next time they vote.
However, please do not offend the rest of the people on this
list who
have no problem with the city selection process
by making it
seem that
the process did not take your opinion into
account. The bidding
process was well publicized; the list of cities making their
bids has
been available for quite a while. There were
many opportunities
for
you and anyone else to get involved and argue for
or against
particular locations. In the future, if you feel so strongly, I
recommend finding the best point in the process to bring up your
opinions and arguments -- namely, before the decision has been
made.
>
> Wikimedia's conferences are not meant to be places where only
people
> > who share your particular values attend. There are plenty of
people
> > in different parts of the world who
would not want to attend
> > conferences in the U.S. due to some commonly held perceptions of
its
> > treatment of Muslims or people who look
like Arabs, and the
> risks that
> > this carries to visitors. In fact, there are cases where people
> try
> > to hide their "Arab look" in order to avoid harassment in the
U.S.
> >
> > There are advantages and disadvantages to every location. The
jury
> > made its decision after careful
considerations given the
> information
> > they had at their disposal. Please find a way to accept this
> decision.
> >
> > -ilya
> >
> > On 10/11/07, Jason Safoutin <jason.safoutin(a)wikinewsie.org
> <mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org>> wrote:
> >
> >> But they are so happy about gay tourism that they arrest nearly
> 70 men
> >> for being gay and having sex with other men? That was in
> August. So lets
> >> lie to a government that will put us in prison just for
> that...boy the
> >> charges are racking up, and I didn't even go there yet.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >>
> >> James Hare wrote:
> >>
> >>> No, you don't necessarily have to hide who you are. In fact, I
> hear
> >>> they're more tolerable of homosexuality in tourists because
> they need
> >>> the tourism money. My point is, it's not a matter of
> repressing who
> >>> you are as a person. It's about lying to Egyptian officials
where
>> applicable. :)
>>
>> On 10/11/07, *Jason Safoutin* <jason.safoutin(a)wikinewsie.org
<mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org>
>> <mailto: jason.safoutin(a)wikinewsie.org
<mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org>>> wrote:
>>
>> Huh? So we should hide who we are? We should cover up our
acts as
a
>> human being? Get real.
>>
>> James Hare wrote:
>> > You're saying it as though gayness is naturally radiated
out of
>> a gay
>> > man's orifices.
>> >
>> > On 10/11/07, *Jason Safoutin* <
jason.safoutin(a)wikinewsie.org
<mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org>
>>
<mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org
<mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org>>
>> > <mailto:
jason.safoutin(a)wikinewsie.org
<mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org>
>>
<mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org
<mailto:jason.safoutin@wikinewsie.org>>>> wrote:
>> >
>> > So I see...we (homosexuals etc) have to hide who we
are
and what
>> > we are
>> > proud of...so homosexuals don't get hurt or arrested.
>> > Wonderful...I will
>> > make sure to bring a mask or 2 to conceal anything
that
might
>> > suggest I
>> > am gay. Because thats what it feels like I ans any
other
>>> > homosexual has
>>> > to do to make this trip work. Thats wrong, unfair and
it
> >>> > discrimination.
> >>> >
> >>> > I am also not happy with the fact that this is
> sounding more
> >>> and more
> >>> > like a political conference than anything and thats
not
>> right. If you
>> > want to make Wikimania political, then don't get
involved.
>> And then to
>> > have Jimbo make a speech title that can get a lot
into a
lot of
>> > trouble....take the
political mess somewhere else.
This is a
>> media
>> > conference, not an election.
>> >
>> > Anyone can go and no one should have to be afraid of
their
>> own safety.
>> > Wikimania should be something for everyone, not the
elite.
>>> Stop this
>>> > discrimination.
>>> >
>>> > Jason Safoutin
>>> >
>>> >
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