On 21 April 2012 22:23, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Hmm. That line in the sand seems critical. I'd hate for it to reach a point whereby to be a UK Wikimedian meant being part of Wikimedia UK. I consider those two roles, for myself, to be distinct. There are thousands of UK Wikimedians with no interaction or interest in WMUK - and that is fine. Someone could disagree entirely with the idea of chapters, or specifically the UK chapter, but still be a Wikimedian. That is the beauty of the movement. Indeed; numerous high profile and prolific Wikipedians are not part of WMUK. And to take that a step further, some of us active in WMUK are not particularly active Wikipedians. Tom

On 21 April 2012 23:01, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes. But, if someone wants sod all to do with the chapter then that is entirely up to them. And arguably the chapter shouldn't interpose itself in such a way as to stop those people having their own discussions. That group is the majority after all. WMUK is an awesome resource for the taking. But it is not the UK community. Tom

On 21 April 2012 23:19, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote: By virtue of being very active the chapter may be stifling non-chapter chat. I don't think that is the case. But it is important to self-critique that scenario a check. I've been a member of many communities and my observation of them is this; it is very easy to have a perspective bias on things. Tom

Another example: I get emails from The Tellers for the AGM. I assume that these will only go to members of the Charity? And those are treated (by me) with a high priority. Gordo

On 21/04/12 21:24, Thomas Morton wrote: Not in UK law. The Charity has members (and Trustees and staff). The membership have obligations in law. They are responsible, for example, for electing the Trustees and appointing the auditors, to name but two actions they perform. Gordo

For what its worth, I would prefer that WMUK matters are included to this list rather than have a separate mailing list. In my view the amount of UK specific Wikimedia Email has not yet got to the point where we need to subdivide the list. I'm sure the tellers will only allow members of the charity to vote at the AGM, and it is at that point that we really need to differentiate between UK Wikimedians who are or are not members of WMUK. WSC On 22 April 2012 11:48, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I was going to say pretty much the same thing. This list is for discussions of interest to the UK community. WMUK is *part* of that community, and its business will be of interest to a large proportion of the community, so this list is exactly the right place for it. Harry  ________________________________ From: James Farrar <james.farrar(a)gmail.com> To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2012, 13:35 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Ob Comments about our Chief Exec On the general point, it is my opinion that the Charity is a subset of the UK community; much as with a square and a rectangle, all that is Charity-related is ipso facto UK community-related; but not all that is UK community-related is necessarily Charity-related. There's probably a technical term that logicians use to describe this, and no doubt someone will now embarrass me by posting a link to the relevant Wikipedia article... On the specific point, and now with my Teller's hat on, items directly related to the business of the AGM including ballot papers go only to members, which is why Richard sends them as he has access to the membership database. Obviously we are checking that votes are cast only by members. On Apr 22, 2012 12:29 PM, "WereSpielChequers" <werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote: For what its worth, I would prefer that WMUK matters are included to this list rather than have a separate mailing list. In my view the amount of UK specific Wikimedia Email has not yet got to the point where we need to subdivide the list. I'm sure the tellers will only allow members of the charity to vote at the AGM, and it is at that point that we really need to differentiate between UK Wikimedians who are or are not members of WMUK. Not in UK law. The Charity has members (and Trustees and staff). The membership have obligations in law. They are responsible, for example, for electing the Trustees and appointing the auditors, to name but two actions they perform. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org