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Andy Mabbett

6 May 2015 6 May '15

11:54 a.m.

Two individuals who work for WikimediaUK have mentioned in recent days, in emails, that they have been made redundant. There may, I suppose, be others. I have seen no announcements from WMUK, to keep its members abreast of these developments, or to explain their implications; have I missed one? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Michael Maggs

6 May 6 May

2:59 p.m.

Hi Andy As I expect you saw, announcements about organisational restructuring including the possibility of staff redundancies were made on the Engine Room and on the mailing list back in March: https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room#Review_of_Wikimedia_UK_structure and https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Engine_room#WMUK_organisational_structure The process has been ongoing since then, though the charity's duty of confidentiality to its employees has not allowed us to discuss details. The restructure process is now reaching its close, and we have scheduled to make an announcement next week. Best regards Michael ____________ Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK

Andy Mabbett <mailto:andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> 6 May 2015 12:54 Two individuals who work for WikimediaUK have mentioned in recent days, in emails, that they have been made redundant. There may, I suppose, be others. I have seen no announcements from WMUK, to keep its members abreast of these developments, or to explain their implications; have I missed one?

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Andy Mabbett

4:59 p.m.

On 6 May 2015 at 15:59, Michael Maggs <Michael(a)maggs.name> wrote: As I expect you saw, announcements about organisational restructuring

including the possibility of staff redundancies were made on the Engine Room and on the mailing list back in March:

Yes, thank you - but I was referring to the fact that decisions have now been made.

The process has been ongoing since then, though the charity's duty of confidentiality to its employees has not allowed us to discuss details.

Perhaps not fully; but "a decision has been made - n posts are being cut" would not breach confidentiality; indeed "posts X, Y and Z are being cut" would probably not. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Gordon Joly

7:50 p.m.

On 2015-05-06 12:54, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Two individuals who work for WikimediaUK have mentioned in recent days, in emails, that they have been made redundant. There may, I suppose, be others. I have seen no announcements from WMUK, to keep its members abreast of these developments, or to explain their implications; have I missed one?

Andy, Please keep us updated? You seem to be in the know, Gordo

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Richard Farmbrough

7 May 7 May

3:22 p.m.

The need for a consultation period (with staff) mean that nothing can be pre-announced. If it were, then the consultation would be meaningless, on its face. On 6 May 2015 at 20:50, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

On 2015-05-06 12:54, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Two individuals who work for WikimediaUK have mentioned in recent days, in emails, that they have been made redundant. There may, I suppose, be others. I have seen no announcements from WMUK, to keep its members abreast of these developments, or to explain their implications; have I missed one?

Andy, Please keep us updated? You seem to be in the know, Gordo _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Fæ

3:27 p.m.

RF, this only applies to large scale redundancies in larger organizations than WMUK. PS due to moderation, this email may be posted to the list a long time after it posted date. Fae On 7 May 2015 16:22, "Richard Farmbrough" <richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

The need for a consultation period (with staff) mean that nothing can be pre-announced. If it were, then the consultation would be meaningless, on its face. On 6 May 2015 at 20:50, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

On 2015-05-06 12:54, Andy Mabbett wrote:

Two individuals who work for WikimediaUK have mentioned in recent days, in emails, that they have been made redundant. There may, I suppose, be others. I have seen no announcements from WMUK, to keep its members abreast of these developments, or to explain their implications; have I missed one?

Andy, Please keep us updated? You seem to be in the know, Gordo _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Andy Mabbett

3:35 p.m.

On 7 May 2015 at 16:22, Richard Farmbrough <richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

The need for a consultation period (with staff) mean that nothing can be pre-announced. If it were, then the consultation would be meaningless, on its face.

Indeed; but it would seem that the announcement would be post-, not pre-. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Richard Farmbrough

4:26 p.m.

Fae: I am aware that the legal requirement for a consultation period is limited in scope, however that does not mean that good organisations do not conduct them where they are not legally required. On 7 May 2015 at 16:35, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

On 7 May 2015 at 16:22, Richard Farmbrough <richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

The need for a consultation period (with staff) mean that nothing can be pre-announced. If it were, then the consultation would be meaningless,

on

its face.

Indeed; but it would seem that the announcement would be post-, not pre-. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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HJ Mitchell

5:13 p.m.

Of course the consultation should be done privately. Imagine finding out that you've lost your job through a post on a public mailing list. As a mater of basic human decency, the staff should be informed of the decision and supported through what will be a turbulent time for them. That their jobs are now surplus to requirements because of bad management and the board's negligence is no fault of their own. The issue, though, is that it sounds like the consultation is over and the result has been decided and now the staff who have been made redundant are in the awkward position of having to explain that they've left/are leaving before any announcement has been made. Harry Mitchellhttp://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: +44 (0) 7507 536971 Skype: harry_j_mitchell From: Richard Farmbrough <richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2015, 17:26 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Redundancies at WMUK Fae: I am aware that the legal requirement for a consultation period is limited in scope, however that does not mean that good organisations do not conduct them where they are not legally required. On 7 May 2015 at 16:35, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: On 7 May 2015 at 16:22, Richard Farmbrough <richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

The need for a consultation period (with staff) mean that nothing can be pre-announced. If it were, then the consultation would be meaningless, on its face.

Indeed; but it would seem that the announcement would be post-, not pre-. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Landline (UK) 01780 757 250 Mobile (UK) 0798 1995 792 _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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