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Jon Davies

21 Mar 2012 21 Mar '12

9:37 a.m.

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on. -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. 07976 935 986 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

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David Gerard

21 Mar 21 Mar

10 a.m.

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On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies <jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.

Looks right to me. Has Tom got time this morning to write up something from it? - d.

Jon Davies

10:09 a.m.

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I will do it. Quoting David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>om>:

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On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies <jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.

Looks right to me. Has Tom got time this morning to write up something from it? - d. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. 07976 935 986 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

Gordon Joly

10:37 a.m.

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Does a response need to reference the question numbers in the consultation document? Gordo On 21/03/2012 10:09, Jon Davies wrote:

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I will do it. Quoting David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>om>:

On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies <jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.

-- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Jon Davies

10:41 a.m.

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There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer. Quoting Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com>om>:

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Does a response need to reference the question numbers in the consultation document? Gordo On 21/03/2012 10:09, Jon Davies wrote:

I will do it. Quoting David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>om>:

On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies <jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.

-- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Tom Morris

11:16 a.m.

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On Wednesday, 21 March 2012 at 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:

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There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer. Quoting Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com (mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com)>:

Does a response need to reference the question numbers in the consultation document?

Well, there's no need to answer all questions: I've participated in government consultations before and only answered questions that are appropriate to answer. On an purely logical basis, if you take a position on some matter, that makes some of the questions asked irrelevant. "N/A" or "I/We take no position on this matter." or leaving it blank is just fine. Indeed, we shouldn't be answering sections of the consultation unless they have direct bearing on the mission and running of the Wikimedia projects. -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

David Gerard

11:34 a.m.

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I've tweaked it a bit. There was an unclosed bracket on section 2 and the last sentence looked stray; please check my change is close to what you meant. I'm not sure I understand our section 3. - d.

Tom Morris

11:36 a.m.

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I'm just doing some tweaking too. ;-) -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

Thomas Morton

11:50 a.m.

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I'm not sure I understand our section 3.

I tweaked that to read a little more clearly (sorry Tom if I missed the point you were making). Although as Mike mentions on the talk page - some of the bullets only mention areas of interest, they don't make points. #3 could probably do with someone adding a "position" we hold. etc. Tom

Thomas Morton

11:52 a.m.

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Also; does it need a brief introduction to explain who we are and what our general stance is? On 21 March 2012 11:50, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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I'm not sure I understand our section 3.

Tom Morris

11:57 a.m.

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On Wednesday, 21 March 2012 at 11:52, Thomas Morton wrote:

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Also; does it need a brief introduction to explain who we are and what our general stance is?

Yep, most probably. I've attempted to make so many edits to fix up the grammar and so on, but have gone into a mad house of edit conflicts. Hope someone else can fix it up. ;-) -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

Thomas Morton

11:58 a.m.

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Sorry, that was probably me - I'll go onto the talk page. When do we *have* to send this in? 12? Tom (sorry, I should have done this yesterday :S) On 21 March 2012 11:57, Tom Morris <tom(a)tommorris.org> wrote:

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On Wednesday, 21 March 2012 at 11:52, Thomas Morton wrote:

Also; does it need a brief introduction to explain who we are and what

our general stance is? Yep, most probably. I've attempted to make so many edits to fix up the grammar and so on, but have gone into a mad house of edit conflicts. Hope someone else can fix it up. ;-) -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Jon Davies

12:33 p.m.

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I can paste something out of our general pages. Quoting Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com>om>:

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Also; does it need a brief introduction to explain who we are and what our general stance is? On 21 March 2012 11:50, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand our section 3.

Gordon Joly

4:50 p.m.

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On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:

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There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.

I can see the logic of that. :-) Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Gordon Joly

22 Mar 22 Mar

9:33 a.m.

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On 21/03/2012 16:50, Gordon Joly wrote:

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On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:

There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.

I can see the logic of that. :-) Gordo

I think what I was suggesting was to scan the whole document, pick up the obvious questions, with very obvious answers :-) and then answer those. Maybe six. No need to answer them all. But there is need to address the questions, not just go 100% freestyle in any response. And yes, this could have been started in December 2011. On 20/03/2012 10:30, Chris Keating wrote:

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I was planning to take this forward, and sent an email to this very list on this subject on 27 December. However, I ended up using the energy I could have spent on this on the Wikimedia fundraising debate instead... Chris

Jon Davies

10:10 a.m.

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Hopefully a positive one! Quoting Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com>om>:

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On 21/03/2012 16:50, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:

There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.

I can see the logic of that. :-) Gordo

Also, this has shown up an interesting dynamic between the paid staff at WMUK HQ (Silicon Roundabout), the Trustees (Directors) and the rest of us! Cheers, Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Gordon Joly

11:24 a.m.

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Yes, indeed. I always like asking people to do some work.... :-) In particular, Daria's role in the training and other events has been novel, and positive. With four of you in the office, I am lucky to able to pop in for a chat (living a few miles away)... and the Boris Bike docking station outside the front door makes WMUK HQ even more accessible! Gordo P.S. How about an irregular one hour (lunchtime) walk to explore the area? I am a trained walk leader, with insurance. Staff and everybody else welcome! We could call it a "wiki walk".... :-) On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:10:32 +0000, Jon Davies wrote:

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Hopefully a positive one! Quoting Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com>om>:

On 21/03/2012 16:50, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote:

There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer.

I can see the logic of that. :-) Gordo

Richard Symonds

11:31 a.m.

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Sounds like a good idea, but possibly best timed when there are more people around than just the staff - we don't really have time to edit Wikipedia articles much these days! Richard Symonds Office& Development Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0992 -- Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited, a Charitable Company Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. On 22/03/2012 11:24, Gordon Joly wrote:

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Hopefully a positive one! Quoting Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com>om>:

On 21/03/2012 16:50, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 21/03/2012 10:41, Jon Davies wrote: > There are 114 very detailed questions (reminds me of a nightmare > before finals)- we will be offering a broad brush answer. I can see the logic of that. :-) Gordo

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Gordon Joly

1:09 p.m.

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On 22/03/2012 11:31, Richard Symonds wrote:

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Sounds like a good idea, but possibly best timed when there are more people around than just the staff - we don't really have time to edit Wikipedia articles much these days!

This is a walk in your *lunch hour*. Unless, of course, you don't have lunch hours? Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Tom Morris

21 Mar 21 Mar

10:55 a.m.

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On Mar 21, 2012 10:00 AM, "David Gerard" <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies <jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Property_Office_Consultation Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on.

Looks right to me. Has Tom got time this morning to write up something

from it?

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Sadly not. apologies for lack of communication. Yesterday, I decided to have an afternoon off from email and go read a book in the park to destress, today I'm busy. Was hoping between the board, the employees and the list, something could be cobbled together. ;-)

Roger Bamkin

7:29 p.m.

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Completely missed this (*I went to work!) but it looks very good. Well gone all On 21 March 2012 09:37, Jon Davies <jon.davies(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Intellectual_Property_Office_**Consultation&… Comments please on this - seems like Tom was spot on. -- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. 07976 935 986 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513 Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

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