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Gordon Joly

13 Jun 2012 13 Jun '12

8:44 a.m.

At last, the company (a registered charity) is now called "Wikimedia UK". The name was changed from "Wiki UK Ltd". A former version of the project was called "Wiki Educational Resources Ltd" which is a rather apt name given the current interest in training. This company was dissolved in 2009. It does not appear to have ever submitted any accounts. Company No. 05708269 Status: Dissolved 31/03/2009 Date of Incorporation: 14/02/2006 Why choose the name "wikimedia" when the public are in general much more familiar with the term "wikipedia"? Are we guilty of being to close the issue and not seeing the wider picture (but that was was given as the reason for the formal name change at the AGM???)? Is there now time to reflect? I know something of the trademark issues, and I know something about the relationship to the Foundation. Compare and contrast:- 1) Wikipedia 2) Wikimedia 3) Mediawiki Gordo

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John Vandenberg

13 Jun 13 Jun

8:57 a.m.

All chapters are called either 'Wikimedia', 'Wiki' or 'free culture'. On 6/13/12, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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-- John Vandenberg

Michael Peel

9:09 a.m.

Indeed - it's standard practice nowadays to be 'Wikimedia' rather than 'Wikipedia'. If only someone had made this argument when people were coming up with names right at the start of the projects... (The bigger issue here is why 'Wikimedia Commons' rather than 'Wikipedia Multimedia', etc...) Thanks, Mike On 13 Jun 2012, at 09:57, John Vandenberg wrote:

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All chapters are called either 'Wikimedia', 'Wiki' or 'free culture'. On 6/13/12, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

-- John Vandenberg _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

HJ Mitchell

9:45 a.m.

Wikimedia serves as an umbrella term for the entire movement, and since our scope is wider than just Wikipedia, it's an appropriate name, despite it not having the same 'brand' recognition as the movement's flagship project. Harry ________________________________ From: Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012, 10:09 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] What is in a name? Indeed - it's standard practice nowadays to be 'Wikimedia' rather than 'Wikipedia'. If only someone had made this argument when people were coming up with names right at the start of the projects... (The bigger issue here is why 'Wikimedia Commons' rather than 'Wikipedia Multimedia', etc...) Thanks, Mike On 13 Jun 2012, at 09:57, John Vandenberg wrote:

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All chapters are called either 'Wikimedia', 'Wiki' or 'free culture'. On 6/13/12, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Harry Burt

10:07 a.m.

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com> wrote:

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despite it not having the same 'brand' recognition as the movement's flagship project.

SOFIXIT :P No seriously, that's probably the answer, longterm. -- Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250)

John Vandenberg

11:03 a.m.

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Harry Burt <harryaburt(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:45 AM, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com> wrote: > > despite it not having the same 'brand' recognition as the movement's > flagship project.

Its a feature, not a bug. We promote our content more than we promote ourselves.

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SOFIXIT :P No seriously, that's probably the answer, longterm.

IMO it is good that our organisation brand is not 'Wikipedia'. I usually tell people that Wikipedia is our first and most famous project, and we are the quiet workers behind the projects. And we have been building more projects, and they are going to be just as good and popular as Wikipedia. -- John Vandenberg

Gordon Joly

10:55 a.m.

On 13/06/12 09:44, Gordon Joly wrote:

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Compare and contrast:- 1) Wikipedia 2) Wikimedia 3) Mediawiki

OOPS. Forgot Wikileaks. :-) Gordo

Andy Mabbett

11:05 a.m.

On 13 June 2012 09:44, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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At last, the company (a registered charity) is now called "Wikimedia UK". The name was changed from "Wiki UK Ltd".

Various pages on the wiki will need to be changed; for example the chapter's expenses policy. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Richard Symonds

11:59 a.m.

Don't worry: We'll be doing that shortly, once Companies House have everything updated at their end. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk On 13 June 2012 12:05, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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On 13 June 2012 09:44, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

At last, the company (a registered charity) is now called "Wikimedia UK". The name was changed from "Wiki UK Ltd".

Various pages on the wiki will need to be changed; for example the chapter's expenses policy. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Tom Morris

4:23 p.m.

On 13 June 2012 09:44, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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Why choose the name "wikimedia" when the public are in general much more familiar with the term "wikipedia"? Are we guilty of being to close the issue and not seeing the wider picture (but that was was given as the reason for the formal name change at the AGM???)? Is there now time to reflect?

'Cos Wikinews and Wiktionary and Wikiquote and Wikibooks and so on exist too! And, of course, Commons. Provider of high quality educational materials and/or nude works including Muppets. ;-) -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

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Andy Mabbett
Gordon Joly
Harry Burt
HJ Mitchell
John Vandenberg
Michael Peel
Richard Symonds
Tom Morris