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Magnus Manske

1 Jan 2013 1 Jan '13

10:06 p.m.

Happy new year all! I'll be brief: last year, the BBC put a lot of digitised paintings online: http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/ For the GLAM list (cultural-partners), I made a list of artist links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Your_Paintings Charles suggested it might be of interest to this list. Cheers, Magnus

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Dan Brickley

2 Jan 2 Jan

11:32 a.m.

(I'm copying Paul from the BBC here, as I believe he worked on the Your Paintings site) On 1 January 2013 23:06, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Great to see this all coming together :) Do you have any feeling for how many of the paintings in the collection might themselves also have Wikipedia entries? Or be suitably notable candidates, if such pages don't exist? Anyway this is really just a quick mail to ask: is there any prospect that this enriched metadata linking Your Painting author IDs to Wikipedia could find it's way back into the original BBC pages too? Ideally marked up in RDFa with schema.org vocabulary? I'd love to see all this structured information accessible via the likes of wikidata/dbpedia/freebase. Paul - is there any prospect that e.g. a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_la_Abad%C3%ADa_the_elder might be added to http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/artists/juan-de-la-the-elder-abadia and so on using the data in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Your_Paintings? Dan

Charles Matthews

1:44 p.m.

As usual, there is a lot to do. Just looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Your_Paintings/A some of the blue links look plausible. Samira Abbassy appears in "Artists in Britain Since 1945", a reference work with 14,500 entries that can probably solve many cases of identification. "Edwin Abbot" runs at the moment to a disambiguation page, and I didn't immediately see how to deal with it. I've been coming across relevant artists by chance who are in the "Dictionary of National Biography'', and am happy to set up pages for those people. Charles

Tom Morris

3 Jan 3 Jan

12:06 a.m.

On Wednesday, 2 January 2013 at 11:32, Dan Brickley wrote:

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Anyway this is really just a quick mail to ask: is there any prospect that this enriched metadata linking Your Painting author IDs to Wikipedia could find it's way back into the original BBC pages too? Ideally marked up in RDFa with schema.org (http://schema.org) vocabulary? I'd love to see all this structured information accessible via the likes of wikidata/dbpedia/freebase.

Much as I'd like it to be the case that Wikipedia embraced RDFa and the web of linked data, it seems unlikely at the moment. I'm hoping that Wikidata might ease the Wikimedia community in to trying the very tasty Semantic Web Kool-Aid®. VIAF was a first, initial stab towards richly linking Wikipedia together with other linked data on the web. Hopefully it won't be the last. -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

Andy Mabbett

10:37 a.m.

On 3 January 2013 00:06, Tom Morris <tom(a)tommorris.org> wrote:

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On Wednesday, 2 January 2013 at 11:32, Dan Brickley wrote:

Much as I'd like it to be the case that Wikipedia embraced RDFa and the web of linked data, it seems unlikely at the moment.

I thought Dan meant RDFa on the BBC website. Besides, we've had microformat markup in our infoobxes since 2007 - and that's extractable, via third-party sites such as <http://any23.org/>, as JSON, RDF, etc.

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I'm hoping that Wikidata might ease the Wikimedia community in to trying the very tasty Semantic Web Kool-Aid®.

It's going to be long, hard slog. Just look at some of the rubbish spouted about metadata by those opposed to using infoboxes in articles.

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VIAF was a first, initial stab towards richly linking Wikipedia together with other linked data on the web. Hopefully it won't be the last.

A major, important and welcome step - but not the first. I've previously written and deployed templates to link articles to OpenCorprates, OpenDomesday: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:OpenCorp> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:OpenDomesday> which reciprocate the links, and which are linked data sites; as is OpenPlaques, for which there is also a template: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Openplaque> and (mentioned for completeness) OpenStreetMap, linked indirctly via our coordinates templates. To facilitate further discussion and development, I have just created, and am populating, [[Category:External link templates to linked data sites with reciprocal links]]: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:External_link_templates_to_linked_data_sites_with_reciprocal_links> Finally, please also note WikiProject_Unique_Identifiers: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Unique_Identifiers> -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Andy Mabbett

1:26 p.m.

On 3 January 2013 10:37, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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we've had microformat markup in our infoobxes since 2007 -

I'm going to raise an Rfc to have all infoboxes renamed "infoobox..."

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OpenCorprates, OpenDomesday:

Correction: OpenDomesday doesn't link back to us; I've just requested that it do so. [[Info(o)box play]] links to Theatricalia, another linked data site with reciprocal links too.

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To facilitate further discussion and development, I have just created, and am populating, [[Category:External link templates to linked data sites with reciprocal links]]:

That's very slow updating, sadly. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Harry Burt

9 Jan 9 Jan

10:53 p.m.

People working with YourPaintings might also find the {{Artwork}} generator at [1] of use. Harry -- Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250) [1] https://toolserver.org/~jarry/yourpaintings/ On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>wrote;wrote:

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On 3 January 2013 10:37, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

we've had microformat markup in our infoobxes since 2007 -

I'm going to raise an Rfc to have all infoboxes renamed "infoobox..."

OpenCorprates, OpenDomesday:

Correction: OpenDomesday doesn't link back to us; I've just requested that it do so. [[Info(o)box play]] links to Theatricalia, another linked data site with reciprocal links too.

To facilitate further discussion and development, I have just created, and am populating, [[Category:External link templates to linked data sites with reciprocal links]]:

That's very slow updating, sadly. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Andy Mabbett

2 Jan 2 Jan

2:56 p.m.

On 1 January 2013 22:06, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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I made a list of artist links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Your_Paintings

That's a fantastic piece of work, thank you. Unfortunately loading the very long pages makes my netbook struggle. I'd like to apply some disambiguation, but I daren't edit from this machine. Could the lists be sub-divided, onto smaller please? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk