On 9 December 2011 02:57, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: I'm am seeing fundraising banners while logged in... are you sure they are supposed to be turned off?

On 9 December 2011 19:48, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: some other countries, but they're still on for UK logged-in users at the moment (I gather they'll be turned off soon). So this banner was overriding the fundraising banners for some users. :-( That would appear to be in violation of the fundraising agreement (albeit, most likely, inadvertently). It appears this banner was implemented with even more carelessness than was already apparent...

Actually I think that research into how people behave in online communities is very important to the success of the Wikimedia movement, which makes this whole affair even more regrettable... Chris (Wikimedia UK fundraising lead)

On 12 December 2011 21:52, Richard Farmbrough <richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: Yes, I'm curious what they actually want to learn. I'm guessing its something to do with alturism, but I'm not sure it will work. It seems obvious to me that the optimal strategy is to completely screw over your associates (it's not the optimal group strategy, but you can't control what the group does), so that's what I did (the researchers then screwed me over by randomly choosing the game with the least win as the one I actually got - they said it was random, but they never said they had equal probabilties!). I'm obviously an alturistic person (I wouldn't volunteer here otherwise), but my alturism doesn't extend to giving random people on the internet that I don't know and that don't know me money that I have no idea what they'll do with. It's just not a realistic scenario. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

I just loaded a Wikipedia article and rather than a fundraising banner, I saw a banner asking me to participate in a research project (a fairly standard game theory type experiment involving how to share money between yourself and other participants). It was made clear that the banner was approved by the WMF and the Wikimedia Research Committee. I'm wondering what involvement Wikimedia UK had in deciding to put this banner up. I notice I was given an option to donate my "earnings" to the WMF (or the International Red Cross), but not WMUK (I chose to keep mine for myself and will pass them on the WMUK once they arrive in my paypal account). _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Harry,**** ** ** Some of the issues I’ve seen brought up that I think are interesting points:**** **· **What if it was Microsoft, or Google, that was running this research, rather than Harvard University? Would we have their logos on the front page too? What if it was Mozilla, or the Free Software Foundation? Where do we draw the line?**** **· **If the Research Committee are allowed to post central notices after a short discussion, are others allowed to as well? Who decides what goes up? Can the British Library or Oxford University put up a banner about their research?**** **· **If Google (or Microsoft, or Tesco) put their logo on the front page as part of this research, does that clash with Wikimedia UK’s charitable objectives at all?**** **· **Some of the reward money was apparently donated to the WMF: are local chapters to get a share of this too? Where did the money come from in the first place, who is funding the research?**** ** ** Like I said, just a few points to stimulate discussion. They might be baseless, but it’s always best to think about these things in depth. As it happens, I’m not overly concerned, but as a volunteer I’d like to have seen a bit more discussion about this somewhere first. And yes, I did take the survey: I earned $17, although I must say I was hoping for more.**** ** ** Richard Symonds**** ** ** *From:* wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *HJ Mitchell *Sent:* 09 December 2011 13:53 *To:* wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Research banner**** ** ** I'm $15 richer than I was yesterday? It's not like some commercial advert, it's just an invitation to take part in a survey. I don't see what's got people so hot under the collar. **** ** ** Harry**** ** ** ------------------------------ *From:* Richard Symonds &lt;richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk&gt; *To:* &quot;wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&quot; < wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; *Sent:* Friday, 9 December 2011, 3:01 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Research banner Thomas, We had no involvement in this, and I'm not aware that we were even told about it in the first place. What do WMUK members (ie people on this email list) think of the banner? Richard Symonds On 9 Dec 2011, at 00:50, Thomas Dalton &lt;thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org **** _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

I have raised my concerns for this appearing to be an advert on IRC with RCOM the DEV team and then on-wiki with Philippe. RCOM have pointed me to the WMF and the WMF said it's not their problem and pointed me back to RCOM. There is a claim that the central notice was agreed with the community but this does not appear to yet be supported with evidence. I have raised my personal opinion at <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#Harvard.2FScience_Po_Adverts> where any of my fellow Wikipedians are free to add their own. Note, during the IRC chat it was pointed out to me that Google or a telecoms company could easily be next, there is no restriction for central notices of this type on what logos or other forms of advertising they might carry under a claim that this would make the sponsorship arrangement clear. Considering Jimbo's statements that Wikipedia will never carry advertising, I think this puts us all in an uncomfortable position. Thanks, Fae -- http://enwp.org/user_talk:fae Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/faetags _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

** **** A team of researchers at the Berkman Center for Internet & Society<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkman_Center_for_Internet_%26_Soc… Harvard University and Sciences Po Paris <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sciences_Po>, led by Professor Yann Algan and Wikimania 2011 keynote speaker Professor Yochai Benkler, invites English Wikipedia contributors to participate in an interactive online experiment on decision making. The goal of this study is to better understand the dynamics of interactions and behavior in online social spaces<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Dynamics_of_Online_Intera… . **** Oh brother! Gordo -- Gordon Jolygordon.joly@pobox.comhttp://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org