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Rod Ward

5 Nov 2014 5 Nov '14

12:04 p.m.

Hi all, An article in this weeks observer (see http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-a… ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be various TV and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant date. I note this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta ) regularly gets 150,000+ page views per month and this is likely to increase. It was listed as a Good Article back in the early days but was delisted in 2006 and has gone downhill since then. It is also listed on the Vital Articles for Society and Social Sciences. A few of us are trying to get it to at least GA or even FA standard before the anniversary – any help would be appreciated. The specific reason for this email is that I think WikimediaUK had some sort of relationship (possibly a wikimedian in residence or similar) with the British Library years ago. For that or other sources does anyone have a contact within the appropriate department (possibly manuscripts curator or similar) of the BL who would be willing to help advise on the development of this important article? Rod

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Lewis Cawte

5 Nov 5 Nov

12:29 p.m.

Less importantly than [[Magna Carta]], could any improvements be made to the [[Runnymede]] page for the anniversary considering that is where the Magna Carta was sealed? -- Lewis Cawte On 5 November 2014 11:04, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

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Ed Saperia

12:41 p.m.

PR opportunity? "Wikipedia asks for contributors to bring Magna Carta article [link] up to highest standard [link to FA criteria] ahead of 800 year anniversary. The page currently gets over 150k views per month [link to pageview stats]. Never edited Wikipedia but keen on history? Here's some info to get you started [link to getting started page], and check out the Wikipedia history project [link to Wikiproject History]." Sent from my iPhone

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On 5 Nov 2014, at 11:04, "Rod Ward" <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote: Hi all, An article in this weeks observer (see http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-a… ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be various TV and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant date. I note this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta ) regularly gets 150,000+ page views per month and this is likely to increase. It was listed as a Good Article back in the early days but was delisted in 2006 and has gone downhill since then. It is also listed on the Vital Articles for Society and Social Sciences. A few of us are trying to get it to at least GA or even FA standard before the anniversary – any help would be appreciated. The specific reason for this email is that I think WikimediaUK had some sort of relationship (possibly a wikimedian in residence or similar) with the British Library years ago. For that or other sources does anyone have a contact within the appropriate department (possibly manuscripts curator or similar) of the BL who would be willing to help advise on the development of this important article? Rod _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Roberta Wedge

12:44 p.m.

And then there's Tim Berners-Lee's call for a Magna Carta of internet rights, globally. He spoke of this at the Web We Want event <https://webwewant.org/>, which is another way of saying the same thing. It could all tie in quite nicely. ------------------------ *Roberta Wedge* *Gender Gap Project, **Wikimedia UK* roberta.wedge(a)wikimedia.org.uk 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT +44 (0)20 7065 0921 Wikimedia UK is the British chapter of a global movement. We support, but do not control, Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and other related Wikimedia projects. Wikimedia UK is both a limited company (Registered No. 6741827) and a charity (Registered No.1144513). Visit wikimedia.org.uk <http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/> and @wikimediauk On 5 November 2014 11:04, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

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Jonathan Cardy

1:11 p.m.

Dear Rod, We did indeed have a resident at the British Library, and some ongoing discussions and events with them, including an event last Friday. At the moment we are focussed on some large image releases and a major tagging exercise to identify old maps which will then be loaded on Commons. <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection/map_tag_campaign> But it would be worth thinking of further projects, though at least for this month I'd like to focus what we are doing with BL on certain mass uploads. Do people think that Magna Carta would be a good subject for a Wiki wednesday session - bringing few editors together on a Wednesday evening in our office in London? Regards <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection/map_tag_campaign> Jonathan Cardy GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) Organiser Wikimedia UK 020 7065 0921 (I'm normally in the office Tuesday's, Wednesdays and Fridays - Emails on Mondays and Thursdays wont usually be seen till the next day) Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Press Enter to send your message. On 5 November 2014 11:04, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

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Stevie Benton

2:58 p.m.

Hello everyone, I really like Ed's point that this is a good PR opportunity. If anyone is interested in putting together some details and a potential media pitch that would be excellent! Thank you, Stevie On 5 November 2014 12:11, Jonathan Cardy <jonathan.cardy(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

-- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

Andrew Gray

6 Nov 6 Nov

9:40 a.m.

I'm not so sure. The article is 7000 words long, with densely-written and relatively technical content, and needs a comprehensive overhaul - it's the sort of thing that rewards work by one or two people with a good overview and a few days reading, rather than fifty people with small contributions. Inviting people to contribute to something with very little "entry-level" potential seems likely to just end in frustration for all concerned. Trying a call to action seems a good idea, but probably better for something else... A. On 5 November 2014 13:58, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

...

Hello everyone, I really like Ed's point that this is a good PR opportunity. If anyone is interested in putting together some details and a potential media pitch

that

...

would be excellent! Thank you, Stevie On 5 November 2014 12:11, Jonathan Cardy <jonathan.cardy(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > > Dear Rod, > > We did indeed have a resident at the British Library, and some ongoing > discussions and events with them, including an event last Friday. At the > moment we are focussed on some large image releases and a major tagging > exercise to identify old maps which will then be loaded on Commons. > > But it would be worth thinking of further projects, though at least for > this month I'd like to focus what we are doing with BL on certain mass > uploads. > > Do people think that Magna Carta would be a good subject for a Wiki > wednesday session - bringing few editors together on a Wednesday evening

...

> our office in London? > > Regards > > > Jonathan Cardy > GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) Organiser > Wikimedia UK > 020 7065 0921 > > (I'm normally in the office Tuesday's, Wednesdays and Fridays - Emails on > Mondays and Thursdays wont usually be seen till the next day) > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A

4LT.

...

United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control

> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. > > > Press Enter to send your message. > > > On 5 November 2014 11:04, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> An article in this weeks observer (see >>

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-a…

...

>> ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of the >> Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be various

...

>> and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant

date.

...

>> I note this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta )

regularly

...

>> gets 150,000+ page views per month and this is likely to increase. It

was

...

>> listed as a Good Article back in the early days but was delisted in

2006 and

...

>> has gone downhill since then. It is also listed on the Vital Articles

for

...

>> Society and Social Sciences. A few of us are trying to get it to at

least GA

...

>> or even FA standard before the anniversary – any help would be

appreciated.

...

>> >> >> >> The specific reason for this email is that I think WikimediaUK had some >> sort of relationship (possibly a wikimedian in residence or similar)

with

...

>> the British Library years ago. For that or other sources does anyone

have a

...

>> contact within the appropriate department (possibly manuscripts curator

...

>> similar) of the BL who would be willing to help advise on the

development of

...

this important article? Rod _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

-- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

geni

10:26 a.m.

800th anniversary of the Charter of the Forest in three years time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_Forest On 6 November 2014 08:40, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:

...

Hello everyone, I really like Ed's point that this is a good PR opportunity. If anyone is interested in putting together some details and a potential media pitch

that

would be excellent! Thank you, Stevie On 5 November 2014 12:11, Jonathan Cardy <

jonathan.cardy(a)wikimedia.org.uk>

wrote: > > Dear Rod, > > We did indeed have a resident at the British Library, and some ongoing > discussions and events with them, including an event last Friday. At the > moment we are focussed on some large image releases and a major tagging > exercise to identify old maps which will then be loaded on Commons. > > But it would be worth thinking of further projects, though at least for > this month I'd like to focus what we are doing with BL on certain mass > uploads. > > Do people think that Magna Carta would be a good subject for a Wiki > wednesday session - bringing few editors together on a Wednesday

evening in

> Mondays and Thursdays wont usually be seen till the next day) > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A

4LT.

> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation

(who

> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). > > Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. > > > Press Enter to send your message. > > > On 5 November 2014 11:04, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> An article in this weeks observer (see >>

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-a…

>> ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of

the

>> Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be

various TV

>> and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant

date.

>> I note this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta )

regularly

>> gets 150,000+ page views per month and this is likely to increase. It

was

>> listed as a Good Article back in the early days but was delisted in

2006 and

>> has gone downhill since then. It is also listed on the Vital Articles

for

>> Society and Social Sciences. A few of us are trying to get it to at

least GA

>> or even FA standard before the anniversary – any help would be

appreciated.

>> >> >> >> The specific reason for this email is that I think WikimediaUK had some >> sort of relationship (possibly a wikimedian in residence or similar)

with

>> the British Library years ago. For that or other sources does anyone

have a

>> contact within the appropriate department (possibly manuscripts

curator or

>> similar) of the BL who would be willing to help advise on the

development of

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

4LT.

over

-- geni

Stevie Benton

12:27 p.m.

That's a sensible point Andrew, thank you. How about we draw up a list of 50 articles we think are important and that need improving? We could use examples like Magna Carta as a hook to the story. We could even make this an annual "thing". The Wikimedia Hitlist for 201x? Any thoughts? Stevie On 6 November 2014 08:40, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote:

...

Hello everyone, I really like Ed's point that this is a good PR opportunity. If anyone is interested in putting together some details and a potential media pitch

that

would be excellent! Thank you, Stevie On 5 November 2014 12:11, Jonathan Cardy <

jonathan.cardy(a)wikimedia.org.uk>

evening in

4LT.

> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation

(who

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-a…

>> ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of

the

>> Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be

various TV

>> and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant

date.

>> I note this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta )

regularly

>> gets 150,000+ page views per month and this is likely to increase. It

was

>> listed as a Good Article back in the early days but was delisted in

2006 and

>> has gone downhill since then. It is also listed on the Vital Articles

for

>> Society and Social Sciences. A few of us are trying to get it to at

least GA

>> or even FA standard before the anniversary – any help would be

appreciated.

>> >> >> >> The specific reason for this email is that I think WikimediaUK had some >> sort of relationship (possibly a wikimedian in residence or similar)

with

>> the British Library years ago. For that or other sources does anyone

have a

>> contact within the appropriate department (possibly manuscripts

curator or

>> similar) of the BL who would be willing to help advise on the

development of

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

4LT.

over

Edward Saperia

3:12 p.m.

Calendar items - anniversaries and so on - are possible to plan in advance, and can be relevant to lots of different audiences. Our media pack wouldn't have to change that much, because it's all pretty similar on the Wikipedia end, just the subject changes. We might even be able to build something on Wikidata that automatically suggests things that are coming up. *Edward Saperia* Conference Director Wikimania London <http://www.wikimanialondon.org> email <ed(a)wikimanialondon.org> • facebook <http://www.facebook.com/edsaperia> • twitter <http://www.twitter.com/edsaperia> • 07796955572 133-135 Bethnal Green Road, E2 7DG On 6 November 2014 11:27, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

...

Hello everyone, I really like Ed's point that this is a good PR opportunity. If anyone

interested in putting together some details and a potential media pitch

that

would be excellent! Thank you, Stevie On 5 November 2014 12:11, Jonathan Cardy <

jonathan.cardy(a)wikimedia.org.uk>

wrote: > > Dear Rod, > > We did indeed have a resident at the British Library, and some ongoing > discussions and events with them, including an event last Friday. At

the

> moment we are focussed on some large image releases and a major tagging > exercise to identify old maps which will then be loaded on Commons. > > But it would be worth thinking of further projects, though at least for > this month I'd like to focus what we are doing with BL on certain mass > uploads. > > Do people think that Magna Carta would be a good subject for a Wiki > wednesday session - bringing few editors together on a Wednesday

evening in

> Mondays and Thursdays wont usually be seen till the next day) > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England

and

> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.

Registered

> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A

4LT.

> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation

(who

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-a…

>> ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of

the

>> Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be

various TV

>> and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant

date.

>> I note this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta )

regularly

>> gets 150,000+ page views per month and this is likely to increase. It

was

>> listed as a Good Article back in the early days but was delisted in

2006 and

>> has gone downhill since then. It is also listed on the Vital Articles

for

>> Society and Social Sciences. A few of us are trying to get it to at

least GA

>> or even FA standard before the anniversary – any help would be

appreciated.

>> >> >> >> The specific reason for this email is that I think WikimediaUK had

some

>> sort of relationship (possibly a wikimedian in residence or similar)

with

>> the British Library years ago. For that or other sources does anyone

have a

>> contact within the appropriate department (possibly manuscripts

curator or

>> similar) of the BL who would be willing to help advise on the

development of

> this important article? > > > > Rod > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

4LT.

United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation

(who

operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control

over

-- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK+44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

HJ Mitchell

4:03 p.m.

If we're pitching this at the entry level, then it might be better to have a list of stubs or neglected articles that need some love, rather than an attempt to crowdsource a featured article (especially from a lengthy existing article). Harry Mitchellhttp://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: +44 (0) 7507 536971 Skype: harry_j_mitchell From: Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> To: UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2014, 11:27 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Magna Carta That's a sensible point Andrew, thank you. How about we draw up a list of 50 articles we think are important and that need improving? We could use examples like Magna Carta as a hook to the story. We could even make this an annual "thing". The Wikimedia Hitlist for 201x? Any thoughts? Stevie On 6 November 2014 08:40, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote: I'm not so sure. The article is 7000 words long, with densely-written and relatively technical content, and needs a comprehensive overhaul - it's the sort of thing that rewards work by one or two people with a good overview and a few days reading, rather than fifty people with small contributions. Inviting people to contribute to something with very little "entry-level" potential seems likely to just end in frustration for all concerned.Trying a call to action seems a good idea, but probably better for something else...A.On 5 November 2014 13:58, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

...

Dear Rod, We did indeed have a resident at the British Library, and some ongoing discussions and events with them, including an event last Friday. At the moment we are focussed on some large image releases and a major tagging exercise to identify old maps which will then be loaded on Commons. But it would be worth thinking of further projects, though at least for this month I'd like to focus what we are doing with BL on certain mass uploads. Do people think that Magna Carta would be a good subject for a Wiki wednesday session - bringing few editors together on a Wednesday evening in our office in London? Regards Jonathan Cardy GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) Organiser Wikimedia UK 020 7065 0921 (I'm normally in the office Tuesday's, Wednesdays and Fridays - Emails on Mondays and Thursdays wont usually be seen till the next day) Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Press Enter to send your message. On 5 November 2014 11:04, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

-- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBenton Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

-- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Stevie Benton Head of External Relations Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 / +44 (0) 7803 505 173 @StevieBentonWikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Richard Nevell

4:05 p.m.

I certainly agree with that On 6 November 2014 15:03, HJ Mitchell <hjmitchell(a)ymail.com> wrote:

...

If we're pitching this at the entry level, then it might be better to have a list of stubs or neglected articles that need some love, rather than an attempt to crowdsource a featured article (especially from a lengthy existing article). Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: +44 (0) 7507 536971 Skype: harry_j_mitchell ------------------------------ *From:* Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list <wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Thursday, 6 November 2014, 11:27 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Magna Carta That's a sensible point Andrew, thank you. How about we draw up a list of 50 articles we think are important and that need improving? We could use examples like Magna Carta as a hook to the story. We could even make this an annual "thing". The Wikimedia Hitlist for 201x? Any thoughts? Stevie On 6 November 2014 08:40, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk> wrote: I'm not so sure. The article is 7000 words long, with densely-written and relatively technical content, and needs a comprehensive overhaul - it's the sort of thing that rewards work by one or two people with a good overview and a few days reading, rather than fifty people with small contributions. Inviting people to contribute to something with very little "entry-level" potential seems likely to just end in frustration for all concerned. Trying a call to action seems a good idea, but probably better for something else... A. On 5 November 2014 13:58, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

Hello everyone, I really like Ed's point that this is a good PR opportunity. If anyone is interested in putting together some details and a potential media pitch

that

would be excellent! Thank you, Stevie On 5 November 2014 12:11, Jonathan Cardy <

jonathan.cardy(a)wikimedia.org.uk>

evening in

4LT.

> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation

(who

http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-a…

>> ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of

the

>> Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be

various TV

>> and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant

date.

>> I note this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta )

regularly

>> gets 150,000+ page views per month and this is likely to increase. It

was

>> listed as a Good Article back in the early days but was delisted in

2006 and

>> has gone downhill since then. It is also listed on the Vital Articles

for

>> Society and Social Sciences. A few of us are trying to get it to at

least GA

>> or even FA standard before the anniversary – any help would be

appreciated.

>> >> >> >> The specific reason for this email is that I think WikimediaUK had some >> sort of relationship (possibly a wikimedian in residence or similar)

with

>> the British Library years ago. For that or other sources does anyone

have a

>> contact within the appropriate department (possibly manuscripts

curator or

>> similar) of the BL who would be willing to help advise on the

development of

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Andrew Gray

5 Nov 5 Nov

1:34 p.m.

Hi Rod, That was indeed me... we did do a bit of work with the BL MSS department (the great work was done before I came, though - John Byrne and his work on the Cuthbert Gospel). I think I could probably persuade someone to do a review and feedback, especially if we've done a chunk of the reworking before then. Someone looked at the MC article some years ago with a view to reworking it - there's some detailed notes in Archive 2 which seem to be the discussion I remember. There appears to be a lot of tension between "MC as historic event/artifact", "MC as legal history", and "MC as living law", all of which are dealt with in the article but may not sit comfortably against each other. A. On 5 November 2014 11:04, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

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Fæ

7 Nov 7 Nov

1:11 a.m.

I have uploaded a few presentations and talks on video which would cheer up Magna Carta articles, some are quite 'non-academic friendly' for readers who might be daunted by a long encyclopaedia article (videos play back without having to leave a Wikipedia article). They are currently in <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magna_Carta> but will probably be moved to a sub-category in a while. The lectures might be helpful for those thinking of improving articles and are looking for a quick guide to issues and interpretations. Of particular interest are a video from the British Library <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Four_surviving_Magna_Carta_to_be_brought_together_for_the_first_time_in_history.webm> and a friendly one from Parliament <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Magna_Carta_and_the_Emergence_of_Parliament.webm>. These are uploaded thanks to a YouTube download/upload script I put together for a WikiprojectMed request. If there are others on YouTube you find with a CC-BY licence, drop me a link by email and I'll get around to taking a look. Unfortunately handling video remains a challenge for contributors, so I think my uploads are the first videos on Commons for this topic. Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

Richard Farmbrough

8:49 p.m.

There will be less demanding work, for example the signatories articles maybe could do with work. I just linked to [[Abbott of Peterborough]], only a few of those abbots have any biographical details - VCH will supply plenty of useful information, typically more on the latter abbots. On 7 November 2014 00:11, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Rod Ward

10:44 p.m.

Thanks for the videos – have just included one in the article. Working on the linked pages would also be useful – both the abbots/bishops/barons (NB not “signatories”) and the settings (improvements to Runnymede have already been requested) and some of the legal revisions along with later effects or interpretation. Lots of the bulleted lists of “clauses in one charter but not another” also need to be tackled (and referenced). Any further help appreciated. Rod From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Richard Farmbrough Sent: 07 November 2014 19:50 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Magna Carta There will be less demanding work, for example the signatories articles maybe could do with work. I just linked to [[Abbott of Peterborough]], only a few of those abbots have any biographical details - VCH will supply plenty of useful information, typically more on the latter abbots. On 7 November 2014 00:11, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: I have uploaded a few presentations and talks on video which would cheer up Magna Carta articles, some are quite 'non-academic friendly' for readers who might be daunted by a long encyclopaedia article (videos play back without having to leave a Wikipedia article). They are currently in <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magna_Carta> but will probably be moved to a sub-category in a while. The lectures might be helpful for those thinking of improving articles and are looking for a quick guide to issues and interpretations. Of particular interest are a video from the British Library <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Four_surviving_Magna_Carta_to_be_brought_together_for_the_first_time_in_history.webm> and a friendly one from Parliament <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Magna_Carta_and_the_Emergence_of_Parliament.webm>. These are uploaded thanks to a YouTube download/upload script I put together for a WikiprojectMed request. If there are others on YouTube you find with a CC-BY licence, drop me a link by email and I'll get around to taking a look. Unfortunately handling video remains a challenge for contributors, so I think my uploads are the first videos on Commons for this topic. Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Landline (UK) 01780 757 250 Mobile (UK) 0798 1995 792

Stevie Benton

14 Nov 14 Nov

3:34 p.m.

Hello everyone, Thanks for all the comments on this so far. Given some of the feedback I think a call to action on one significant article is perhaps not going to attract too much attention. But what I think could work is a new year kind of story in which Wikimedia UK "releases" its top 50 targets for improvement on Wikipedia. It's the kind of listicle that is quite popular these days. Last year we put out a press release on the 20 most searched for terms on Wikipedia and that got quite a lot of traction. If others think this could work (or we could reduce the number to 20, or 25, or whatever) then I'll create a page on the UK wiki where we can post suggestions for articles that might be relevant in 2015 (such as Magna Carta, of course) and work from there. Thanks again for all of your comments. Stevie On 7 November 2014 21:44, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

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Jonathan Cardy

4:39 p.m.

OK, after talking to Stevie and having previously talked to some others I have created this page on the UK wiki: https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Anniversary_articles Feel free to expand and in particular to add any that you are interested in working on. Regards Jonathan Cardy GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) Organiser Wikimedia UK 020 7065 0921 (I'm normally in the office Tuesday's, Wednesdays and Fridays - Emails on Mondays and Thursdays wont usually be seen till the next day) Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Press Enter to send your message. On 14 November 2014 14:34, Stevie Benton <stevie.benton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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Peter Coombe

2 Jan 2 Jan

11:11 a.m.

Happy New Year! I've just added a few more to https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Anniversary_articles. If like me one of your resolutions this year is to edit more articles, there's plenty of inspiration there, from Magna Carta to the BT Tower. Peter On 14 November 2014 at 15:39, Jonathan Cardy < jonathan.cardy(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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Gordon Joly

8 Jan 8 Jan

10:09 a.m.

On 05/11/14 11:04, Rod Ward wrote:

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An article in this weeks observer (see http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/nov/01/magna-carta-800-celebrates-a… ) points out that it will be the 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta next year (15 June 2015) and suggests there will be various TV and radio programmes (and books etc) to coincide with the significant date.

Listening to Radio 4 this week, I learned that the document signed in June 1215 was later repealed, and various versions followed. Wikipedia states: ***** Great Charter 1297: Statute (Image: 1297 version of Great Charter) Edward I of England reissued the Charters of 1225 in 1297 in return for a new tax.[104] "Constitutionally, the Magna Carta of Edward I is the most important".[105] This version remains in Statute today (albeit with most articles now repealed—see below).[106][107] ***** So, the version to celebrate is that of 1297? See you all in 2097? Gordo

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10:45 a.m.

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So, the version to celebrate is that of 1297? See you all in 2097? Gordo

Well if you are a commoner rather than a baron the charter of the forrest was signed in 1217 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_the_Forest Lincoln castle has a copy. -- geni

Gordon Joly

10:57 a.m.

On 08/01/15 09:45, geni wrote:

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Well if you are a commoner rather than a baron the charter of the forrest was signed in 1217

I know my place. Gordo

Stevie Benton

28 Jan 28 Jan

11:26 a.m.

Hello everyone, Just to pick this up again and assure you it hasn't fallen completely by the wayside. Parliament are running a project this year looking at several notable anniversaries. It's called Parliament in the Making <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_in_the_Making>. They are also looking to release Hansard in a fully re-usable format <https://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2015/01/report-from-the-speakers-commission-on-digital-democracy/> by the end of 2015 (license to be determined). I'm going to explore some options of how we might try and work with them. If anyone has suggestions or is keen to be involved, please do get in touch. Thanks and regards, Stevie On 8 January 2015 at 09:57, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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