Hmmm, trying to turn an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;) On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

compare - * not right-wing-ness - e.g. the Times and Telegraph are both serious papers that lean right * in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper * memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC, recite in a calm voice while smiling On 9 February 2017 at 15:45, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

The answer is "well yes, a lot of those are under the same consideration, sources that are even worse tend not to be disputed as to being obviously not good." On 9 February 2017 at 15:57, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Other_stuff_exists Charles

Presumably they want someone who can be in London? or could this be done remotely? rod On 09.02.2017 15:59, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote: from Newsnight and he's still really keen to set up an interview between the lovely Evan Davis and an editor, who can talk about the way in which these decisions are made. I'm making a few direct phone calls but if this is something you think you could do, please get in touch! I'm on 07803 505 169 or just drop me an email. February 2017 at 15:47, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com [21]> wrote: both serious papers that lean right * in fact - The Sun is not OK and the Times is, even though same politics and same publisher, because one's a tabloid and one's a serious paper * memorise the long lists of egregious falsehoods brought up in the RFC, recite in a calm voice while smiling <dgerard(a)gmail.com [17]> wrote: is, yes :-) <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com [16]> wrote: an interview from "zomg! Wikipedia bans the Mail!" round to "actually this is all normal and we have some really interesting community preferences" sounds.... tricky. ;) 1:51 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com [12]> wrote: line is "editorial decision, I'll forward your details to some >>>>editors" then email here ;-D >>>>> >>>>> sooooo er, editors? >>>> >>>>> On 9 February 2017 at 13:45, Lucy Crompton-Reid >>>>> >>>><lucy.crompton-reid(a)wikimedia.org.uk [1]> wrote: >>>>> > Hi all >>>>>>>>> > Thanks very much for flagging this David. I think it would be great if perspective - in particular within the Wikipedia community, as it's working in the media don't understand this. If someone respond to you directly, please could you let me know? >>>>> >>>>> The office has had a flood of emails and phone calls which we've been Francisco wakes up and statement on the issue, which would enquiries. >>>>> >>>>> > All best >>>>> > Lucy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9 February 2017 at 13:38, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com [2]wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >> BBC Newsnight want a Wikipedia editor who can talk about this, for me and I'll forward you the >>>>> >> email. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >> - d. >>>>> >>>>>> >_______________________________________________ mailing list >>>>> >> wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org [3] >>>>> >https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l [4] >>>>> >WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk [5] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> > Lucy Crompton-Reid >>>>> >>>>> > Chief Executive >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > +44 (0) 207 065 0991 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and 6741827. 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Indeed...surely that's enough to persuade you?! On 9 February 2017 at 16:16, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: -- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0991 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

Well they certainly weren't laughing when they spoke to me...although I was nearly crying by the end of the call! On 10 February 2017 at 09:53, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: -- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0991 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

Wait, what? Until 2014 the Mail was including material that was solely sourced to Wikipedia?? Seriously??? On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: