Considering that other governments, such as the US and Polish

release their images for free, I was wondering if anybody else felt it

appropriate to lobby the website to release their images under a CC

(suitable for Wiki) or into the public domain.

Hey guys, Was away on holidays for a few weeks. Did anything more happen around this? Would be willing to put effort into campaigning (letter writing, phone calling, shoe leather, miscellaneous money, etc.) into this. I think it would be a very important achievement and not entirely unrealistic. Oliver On 29 Jun 2011, at 00:18, Aisling Walsh wrote: Hi Folks, I have a contact who works in the Dept of Taoiseach. She said to direct any queries about MerrionStreet.ie to editor(a)merrionstreet.ie If there's anything else I can do please let me know, Thanks, Aisling On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Colm King <cargoking(a)live.com> wrote: > > Legwork? I'd be prepared to draft an email/do the research. > > Colm > ------------------------------ > From: abartov(a)wikimedia.org > Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:06:38 -0700 > > To: wikimediaie(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia IE] MerrionStreet.ie > > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:46 AM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > > On 10 June 2011 13:26, Colm King <cargoking(a)live.com> wrote: > > > Considering that other governments, such as the US and Polish > governments, > > release their images for free, I was wondering if anybody else felt > it was > > appropriate to lobby the website to release their images under a CC > licence > > (suitable for Wiki) or into the public domain. > > > There's been some work at data.gov.uk to get UK Crown Copyright made > into something two-way compatible with CC-by - that is, they retain > copyright, and change the licence. Perhaps that UK work could be > > repurposed for IE. I'm vague on the fine details ... anyone? > > > I think this would be an excellent achievement for WMIE. Is anyone > willing to do the legwork? > > > So... no? > > Asaf > -- > Asaf Bartov > Wikimedia Foundation > > > _______________________________________________ WikimediaIE mailing > list WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaIE mailing list > WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie > > _______________________________________________ WikimediaIE mailing list WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie _______________________________________________ WikimediaIE mailing list WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie

And do any of you have a local copyright lawyer in your networks who might be interested in helping pro bono? If not, do we know of a prominent copyright lawyer who could be engaged for this? Cheers, Asaf On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Oliver Moran <oliver.moran(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > Thanks, Gabriel. Aisling and Colm, are you still interested in > pursuing this? Jodi, are you interested too? I'm going to contact some > people I know offline who may be interested in lending a hand also. Anybody > else willing to lend a hand? Or any ideas out there for how we might > approach this? > > We might also contact the folks at Creative Commons Ireland ( > http://www.ucc.ie/law/irishlaw/creativecommons/). They may have a > sounder understanding of the legal issues involved and may be able to advise > us. I see they have already ported a draft the Creative Commons BY-NC-SA to > Irish law: > > - http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Ireland/3.0/BY-NC-SA/Draft > > We might need a full port of a Wikipedia compatible CC license to Irish > law before we can definitively ask the government to switch over to one. Is > there anyone from Creative Commons Ireland already on this list? > > I have done a little reading of the Merrion Street site and dug a > little into the issues involved. From that, I see there is a relevant > European Directive that requires member states to "ensure that practical > arrangements are put in place that facilitate the search for documents > available for re-use": > > - > http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/docs/pdfs/directive/psi_… > > This has been transposed into Irish law under the Statutory Instrument > (SI) European Communities (Re-Use of Public Sector Information) Regulations > 2005 (SI 279 of 2005). There appears to have been a follow up Statutory > Instrument in 2008: > > - 2005: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2005/en/si/0279.html > - 2008: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2008/en/si/0103.html > > (I haven't read these yet.) > > All material on the Merrion Street website (beyond permission for > linking, downloading and printing) "is subject to the terms of the Re-use of > Public Sector Information Regulations 2005 (SI 279 of 2005)." Third-party > material is excluded from that permission (what proportion of the site is > third-party, I don't know). > > Additionally, the copyright page says, "You may re-use the information > on this website free of charge in any format." What the implications of that > is, I don't know. > > As part of the 2005 Statutory Instrument, it seems that a standard > license (the "PSI license") was prepared for public material: > > - http://psi.gov.ie/files/2010/03/PSI-Licence.pdf > > I don't know if this license is Wikipedia compatible. If it is, we may > be onto a winner and can just lobby for this license to be used more widely. > If it is not, then we may have a fight on our hands. > > Given that Merrion Street recently used a CC-BY-NC-ND license, the PSI > license may not be widely used. Also, as Colm noted, they have recently > changed to "all rights reserved". I don't know what this means with respect > to the Re-use of Public Sector Information Regulations (or if > it even applies) or how widely used the PSI license is within the public > service. > > One tack we might take is to see what aspects of the current PSI > license would need to change before it would be compatible with Wikipedia. > If there are any copyright lawyers out there — or if we can convince the CC > people to help us here — then we could go to the government with something > solid. (This is assuming the current license is incompatible.) > > Finally, under the appropriate regulations, it would seem that the > Minister for Finance (don't ask me why) is the relevant minister for the > Re-use of Public Sector Information Regulation. A website dealing with > information on the Re-use of Public Sector Information is here: > > - http://psi.gov.ie/ > > So, in summary, from my quick look four approaches pop out at me: > > - Port a Wikipedia-compaitble CC licence to Irish law and convince the > Merrion Street (or the Government) to use that. > - Identify what aspects of the current PSI license is incompatibe with > respect to WIkipeida, convince the Government to change (or adopt it as a > secondary license) it and implement it widely (including on Merrion Street). > - Lobby directly for Merrion Street to use a Wikipedia-compatible > license (port or not) for some or all of it's material. > - Develop a relationship with Merrion Street and other agencies so > that we can ask them for specific material (or sets of material), which they > will release to us under a compatible license at their discretion. > > No matter the approach, I think a copyright lawyer would be of great > assistance to us. > > Best, > Oliver > > On 14 Jul 2011, at 23:28, Gabriel Beecham wrote: > > I'm willing to lend a hand in this regard. > > -Gabriel > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Oliver Moran <oliver.moran(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> >> Was away on holidays for a few weeks. Did anything more happen around >> this? Would be willing to put effort into campaigning (letter writing, phone >> calling, shoe leather, miscellaneous money, etc.) into this. >> >> I think it would be a very important achievement and not entirely >> unrealistic. >> >> Oliver >> >> On 29 Jun 2011, at 00:18, Aisling Walsh wrote: >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> I have a contact who works in the Dept of Taoiseach. >> She said to direct any queries about MerrionStreet.ie to >> editor(a)merrionstreet.ie >> >> If there's anything else I can do please let me know, >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aisling >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Colm King <cargoking(a)live.com>wrote;wrote: >> >>> >>> Legwork? I'd be prepared to draft an email/do the research. >>> >>> Colm >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: abartov(a)wikimedia.org >>> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:06:38 -0700 >>> >>> To: wikimediaie(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia IE] MerrionStreet.ie >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:46 AM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: >>> >>> On 10 June 2011 13:26, Colm King <cargoking(a)live.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Considering that other governments, such as the US and Polish >>> governments, >>> > release their images for free, I was wondering if anybody else felt >>> it was >>> > appropriate to lobby the website to release their images under a CC >>> licence >>> > (suitable for Wiki) or into the public domain. >>> >>> >>> There's been some work at data.gov.uk to get UK Crown Copyright made >>> into something two-way compatible with CC-by - that is, they retain >>> copyright, and change the licence. Perhaps that UK work could be >>> >>> repurposed for IE. I'm vague on the fine details ... anyone? >>> >>> >>> I think this would be an excellent achievement for WMIE. Is anyone >>> willing to do the legwork? >>> >>> >>> So... no? >>> >>> Asaf >>> -- >>> Asaf Bartov >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ WikimediaIE mailing >>> list WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikimediaIE mailing list >>> WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WikimediaIE mailing list >> WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikimediaIE mailing list >> WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaIE mailing list > WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WikimediaIE mailing list > WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie > > -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ WikimediaIE mailing list WikimediaIE(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaie