On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Chad <innocentkiller(a)gmail.com> wrote: I don't care if its up or down, i was just wondering if we're still connected to wikia in anyway (ie it reflect badly on us). If we're not, as it seems by your response, then I really don't care too much :) -- -Brock

As far as I am aware (but someone staff should be able to clarify more in-depth), the only connection is Jimmy who has two hats on his head (director? at Wikia and board member at WMF), and no official ties. And Wikia sponsors (still?) Wikimania of course! But no offices are shared any more. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. There is enough bad reflection of our own if people really search, so don't worry :) Lodewijk 2009/1/3 Brock Weller <brock.weller(a)gmail.com>

Please note that that part is quite outdated. As was my remark apperently btw, I understand that there have been changes since :) Anyway, ask staff :P Lodewijk 2009/1/4 Delirium <delirium(a)hackish.org>rg>:

I don't think this is entirely accurate. For instance, there was the annual report several months ago noting that we had shared some office space with them. That was relevant to this list. -Dan On Jan 4, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Tim Starling wrote:

On 1/4/09 5:19 PM, effe iets anders wrote: *nod* The Wikimedia Foundation is not, and has never been, involved with Wikia in a capacity which would make foundation-l an appropriate place to report a complaint about content on one of Wikia's thousands of user-created wiki sites. You should contact Wikia's admins directly if you want such a problem taken care of. If one is instead making the argument that Wikimedia should distance itself from a wiki hosting company due to offense taken at user-created content on a site hosted by that company, well that's probably not the best argument but I guess you can freely make it here. :) The relationship between WMF and Wikia is basically on the order of "some of the same people are involved" [many fewer now than before], "much of the same technology is involved" [still true], and "because of the above, occasionally both companies find it convenient to share resources" [mainly our techs talk to each other, and sometimes we'll split spare capacity on some physical resource at a fair market rate]. This is not a particularly closer relationship than we have with other companies and organizations in the fields of wikis and open source/content stuff. -- brion

Tim Starling wrote: I'm pretty sure Wikitravel, Jimmy's objectivist mailing lists, and Answers.com have never been widely confused with Wikimedia to the extent that multiple news articles referred to them as the "commercial counterpart" to Wikipedia. They also did not share office space or bandwidth with Wikimedia, or have debts to Wikimedia mentioned in independent financial audits. They also did not use advertising slogans that made prominent use of the Wikipedia trademark and implied a relationship, such as Wikia's former slogan, "Wikipedia is the Encyclopedia. Wikia is the rest of the library." -Mark

Tim Starling wrote: The point I was making is that the fact that people thought a content-related complaint about Wikia might be relevant to the foundation is the fault primarily of Wikia and the Foundation, and especially its entangled principals, not the fault of a newbie complainer who was misled by the association. Given your conflict of interest in this matter, you are also not particularly well positioned to comment. -Mark

Hoi, I have no involvement in Wikia, I am quite happy to say "poppycock" to you. When the WMF has good relations with many organisations, I would credit the WMF positively for this. Cooperation is very much what Wikis are about or should be about. Given that it has been explicitly said that cooperation between these organisations is on a sound economic and practical basis, I welcome it when WMF, Wikia, Wikihow, Wikiwhoever have close links. Thanks. GerardM 2009/1/6 Delirium <delirium(a)hackish.org>

Delirium wrote: A fair point, and I'm glad you finally made it. But I was only trying to correct an error in the original post which had not been pointed out by the previous replies, it wasn't my intention to lay blame. I think I'm entitled to comment regardless of who I am, but you can to ask me to state my interests to the list. I am a Wikimedia employee, and my wife is a cofounder, employee and stockholder of Wikia. -- Tim Starling