Dear all Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"? All the best Frances ________________________________________ From: wjhboard(a)googlegroups.com [wjhboard(a)googlegroups.com] on behalf of Ian Alexander [iany(a)scenarioplus.org.uk] Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 To: Thomas Shafee Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard(a)googlegroups.com; WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci(a)googlegroups.com; wijoumed(a)googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement Thomas, colleagues, the draft statement seems very much along the right lines. One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's. All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of * "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other than Wikiversity's. * Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text. * Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of citations." I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics. I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources." Ian Alexander > Hello all, > > The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra ft_of_ethics_statement>, > covering issues such as: > > - plagiarism > - misconduct > - reviewer confidentiality > - harassment > > Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few are > unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large group > authorship > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Authorship>, > attribution of content from Wikipedia > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Attribution>, > and the definition of a preprint server > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Preprint_definition> > . > > It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to check > that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over > time as needed. > > Ethics statement draft: > Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ ethics_statement > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra ft_of_ethics_statement> > > Discussion held here: > Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_stat ement_updates > <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group #Ethics_statement_updates> > > > All the best, > Thomas > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WJH board" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wjhboard+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to wjhboard(a)googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/wjhboard. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/wjhboard/4131b0bcc4b91da3f ff222fe3dd93cae.squirrel(a)just115.justhost.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WJH board" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wjhboard+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to wjhboard(a)googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/wjhboard.

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I think compelling points are being made on removing the explicit self-citation limit. I think what such guidelines are attempting to achieve in other journals is to prevent people churning out papers that only cite themselves in order to bump up their own citations stats. Perhaps it's possible to reword it as something about publications should not be for the purpose of self-promotion? As an example, this submission by George Chandy cites a lot of his lab's own work, but then they did discover the protein and the citations are being used appropriately to support statements: ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases> I'll make a similar comment over at the Discussion page <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Self-citation> for the record. Thomas On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 at 09:20 Anne McClanan &lt;anne.mcclanan(a)pdx.edu&gt; wrote: > Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and > someone > new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in > terms of > getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking > people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we > follow > the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle > prior > published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism > section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently > limit > them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at > the > forefront of their topic to be contributing? > Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new > to > the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to > render > problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. > All best, > Anne > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < > frances.dilauro(a)sydney.edu.au&gt; wrote: > >> Dear all >> >> Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does >> imply >> publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"? >> >> All the best >> Frances >> >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: wjhboard(a)googlegroups.com [wjhboard(a)googlegroups.com] on >> behalf >> of Ian Alexander [iany(a)scenarioplus.org.uk] >> Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 >> To: Thomas Shafee >> Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard(a)googlegroups.com; WikiJournal >> (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci(a)googlegroups.com; >> wijoumed(a)googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list >> Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement >> >> Thomas, colleagues, >> >> the draft statement seems very much along the right lines. >> >> One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement >> "Authors >> are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." >> This >> is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted >> to >> ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are >> currently >> undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as >> applying >> to >> more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% >> of >> the >> citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from >> "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally >> for >> any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than >> Wikiversity's. >> >> All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of >> >> * "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes >> other >> than Wikiversity's. >> * Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text. >> * Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list >> of >> citations." >> >> I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third >> sentences >> but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme >> case >> is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, >> and >> there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are >> (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical >> starting-point for most topics. >> >> I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors >> should >> read >> sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately >> represent the cited sources." >> >> Ian Alexander >> >> > Hello all, >> > >> > The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics >> > < >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_sta… >> >, >> > covering issues such as: >> > >> > - plagiarism >> > - misconduct >> > - reviewer confidentiality >> > - harassment >> > >> > Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a >> few >> are >> > unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: >> large >> group >> > authorship >> > < >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_sta… >> >, >> > attribution of content from Wikipedia >> > < >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_sta… >> >, >> > and the definition of a preprint server >> > < >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_sta… >> > >> > . >> > >> > It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to >> check >> > that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it >> over >> > time as needed. >> > >> > Ethics statement draft: >> > >> Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement >> > < >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_sta… >> > >> > >> > Discussion held here: >> > >> Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates >> > < >> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statemen… >> > >> > >> > >> > All the best, >> > Thomas >> > >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "WJH board" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> an email to wjhboard+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send an email to wjhboard(a)googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/wjhboard. >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/wjhboard/4131b0bcc4b91da3fff222fe3dd93cae… >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "WJH board" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send >> an email to wjhboard+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send an email to wjhboard(a)googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/wjhboard. >> > To view this discussion on the web, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/wjhboard/8B977891AFD5AE4DAC2CDD1441A19888… >> . > > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Anne McClanan, PhD > > Online Pedagogy & Digital Art History Portfolio > <https://sites.google.com/s/0B_KL5VhNDq1jMnVpNFNkYVZ3Mkk/edit> > Professor, Medieval Art History > School of Art+ Design > > > > -- *La Trobe Institute for Molecular Science* & *Hexima Ltd* | Postdoctoral research fellow Profiles at ResearchGate <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Thomas_Shafee> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/T-Shafee> | GoogleScholar <http://scholar.google.co.uk/citations?hl=en&user=m6Qd3zIAAAAJ> | AltMetric <https://www.altmetric.com/explorer/report/9048e6b2-9f82-49b4-b786-2d56740804e3> | Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Evolution_and_evolvability> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiJMed" group. 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