Ned Scott had I considered you "garbage" in the matter I would not have even
attempted to talk to you. I value your opinions on the matter greatly. I
value what you are trying to do but you are missing a particular point: I
documented multiple revert wars and article blankings TTN committed just in
48 hours. You are ignoring that completely which is why this post is so
"harsh". His conduct contributes to the problem and not the solution. Hence
it is disruptive. He must stop before we attempt anything.
One must discuss the matter first before taking action. That is the minimal
standard of collaboration. Otherwise it is like a Cardassian court: the
verdict is reached before the trial.
I have been patiently looking the other way in regards to TTN's conduct. My
patience has a limit. Is the actions of TTN based on consensus? Community at
large is ignoring the issue. Even arbcom is ignoring the issue for the most
part. They do see a problem as per their discussion but are unwilling to act
on it. Because of the ignorance and/or apathy of the wikipedia community as
a whole, this issue has escalated and will continue to escalate.
I am a part of that community and I disagree with your statement completely.
There are many other people that disagree. You do not assume what the
community wants and assume it is what you want. You reach a resolution first
and then it is very easy to enforce it. This matter is to be handled on a
case by case basis. To be more specific on an article by article basis. This
is what collaboration is about right?
If this isn't a war then TTN and others can very easily stop the mass
blanking and discuss the issue throughly and reach a compromise. If they
aren't going to stop willingly, alternative ways can be easily arranged.
Also advertising 3rd party sources as you are doing is something immensely
disliked. Please stop doing so. The target wiki can be licensed under GFDL
but that is still a 3rd party site. It is also very hostile to ask people to
"get the heck out" to another wiki because some people will not allow them
to edit here. It does not create a collaborative environment. People should
feel welcome to the discussion not be shown the door. So I ask you not to do
this anymore. Not here and not on wikipedia at least for a while.
- White Cat
On Dec 30, 2007 8:49 AM, Ned Scott <ned(a)nedscott.com> wrote:
Considering our recent pleasant interactions, I'm
not sure what has
caused you to become so harsh. For starters, I am not "advertising"
anything, I'm noting another GFDL wiki site that the community can use
as a tool. Right now I'm formatting a WikiProject page for
transwiki'ing articles to wikis outside of the Foundation wikis, and
we just learned on [[WT:FICT]] that
http://annex.wikia.com now allows
any user to import articles, not just admins (this means full article
histories can easily be copied off-wiki). These are great resources,
and I won't hesitate to tell everyone I can about them. And this isn't
just limited to Wikia; there's a ton of wikis and wiki farms out there
that are also great resources.
If you wish to make nothing but bad-faith assumptions about TTN,
that's between you and him. If his behavior needs further evaluation,
then so be it, but everyone involved is making an effort to not use
strong-arm tactics, and instead use discussion.
People are redirecting/merging/deleting pages because the community at
large does not believe the content to be encyclopedic. I know you
disagree with that, but that is the way things currently are. How we
handle the situation is what is being discussed, and what amount of
plot summary we should include, and how we organize that information,
etc. Some episode articles are justified, others are not, but there is
no blanket "all episodes should be kept/deleted".
If you want to be pessimistic about this, and treat it like a war to
be fought, then we will just be repeating the past.
-- Ned Scott
On Dec 29, 2007, at 10:47 PM, White Cat wrote:
Do not advertise 3rd party sites like wikia. I
don't care if Jimbo
founded
it. Its just like any 3rd party site. Existence of any 3rd party
site is no
compromise. I do not write articles just to get Jimbo or some other
site
owner get rich. I do it for great encyclopedia only. People can copy
it,
reuse it, alter it at will but I do it for the encyclopedia. Lets
delete all
content on history as we do have a history wikia right? I thought so.
TTN is uninterested in improving anything. Open you eyes and read my
post. I
cited evidence of revert waring and blanking of "list of character"
articles. He empties entire categories without bothering to say a
word on
them. And all that is stuff he does in 48 hours.
Out of world content is just the guise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TTN#Doctor_Who
Their presence obviously hasn't stopped TTN. So long as TTN and
others like
him continue the provocative and disruptive mass blankings, I do not
expect
to see any resolution. Well... I suppose he will eventually piss off
enough
people to generate a non-favorable consensus.
In the perfect world of Wikipedia (don't involve the foundation) we
wouldn't
need to be having this conversation as no one would be mass blanking
pages.
We have dealt with this for so long on wikipedia. The entire deal with
stubs. This is just a rehash of it. It will blow up just like those
discussions.
- White Cat
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