Oh come on. TTN has stated several times that he is on a mission to remove
content. That is his driving factor - that has been his driving factor.
Collaborative editing does not mean people clean up the mess after TTN.
Consider a this case
How much was TTN willing to start a discussion? He was expecting others to
do so for sure!
Revert waring:
How much discussion was there prior to the deletion nom to perhaps improve
the article? None. Other users have worked to clean up the mess TTN made.
He empties entire categories (by blanking articles) and later nominates them
for deletion.
If panic blanking of entire categories w/o discussion is acceptable then
you'd be right, sadly that is not so.
All this above is what I fished in the last 50 edits of TTN. All content
above are the result of edits between 19 and 20 December. I do not see much
evidence of discussion in any of the linked cases.
Once Arbcom accepts a case it should be willing to resolve the dispute. It
is obvious there is a problem. Arbcom could have at least made rulings
compelling people to work together.
- White Cat
On Dec 29, 2007 1:19 AM, Ned Scott <ned(a)nedscott.com> wrote:
It's really not fair to say that such users are
unable to work
together. TTN, everyone, and myself, have continued to follow advice
about making more time for discussion and trying to help users
understand why these articles are being removed, rather than just
forcing the issue. This is one reason I didn't think the case needed
to be accepted. The real reason this was an arbcom case was because of
the very large amount of articles that were being redirected, and that
resulting in a lot of different people getting mad. That's very
different than trying different means of resolving the dispute. This
situation is far from hopeless, and despite the impressions you might
have gotten, no one wants to be at each other's throats.
-- Ned Scott
On Dec 28, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Majdan, Nik wrote:
Just FYI for everyone, this ArbCom case has
closed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes
_and_characters
I don't follow ArbCom cases too much but was following this one as a
frequent editor of the Scrubs TV series articles. I was surprised at
the
lack of an apparent decision in this one. As I stated in AN, telling
the
editors to "work collaboratively and constructively with the broader
community" seems ridiculous to me. The case made its way to ArbCom
because the editors were unable to do exactly that. Granted, ArbCom
doesn't get into content disputes, but telling users to work together
who obviously can't seems counterproductive to me. There was a
reason it
went to ArbCom in the first place.
-----Original Message-----
From: wikien-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Bennett
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 6:39 AM
To: English Wikipedia
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] WP:EPISODE
On 12/24/07, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen(a)shaw.ca> wrote:
It puts lie to the whole concept of
"consensus" if a decision like
this can swing permanently one way or the
other based on whether it
just
happens to be made during a week when not a lot of people are paying
attention.
Not really. Consensus is a very loose concept. Previous "consensuses"
have been struck down on the basis that not enough people were
involved (notably, the merger of WP:V, WP:RS etc) It wouldn't be
unreasonable to challenge the consensus later on, if indeed not many
people were involved.
Steve
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