On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:40 PM, David Goodman <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
A PR agent should be able to learn how to write a
neutral article, if
they see one aspect of their role as to provide information about
their client, not necessarily to directly promote them.
Yes. Treated properly, this energy could be put to good use producing
free knowledge. I look forward to a world in which librarians, museum
curators, secretaries, agents, superintendnts and publishers all see
"creating or updating free content about their work" as part of their
normal duties.
And if we had a systematic campaign to provide basic
information about
all companies that meet our notabiliity requirements, the way we do
for populated places, it would greatly diminish the tendency for
people to think they needed to write their own article.
Very true. Crisp definitions of notability that allow for a
constructive list of all notable instances of the topic, and
systematic campaigns (with bot support for seeding and review) make a
tremendous difference in the stable growth of articles on that topic.
Rather than waiting for someone to both care about a group and
understand where to find notability guidelines, we should have lists
of notable groups without articles compiled by people who know those
guidelines and how to mine public databases. Then the people who know
about the topic (but not WP policy quirks) can get to work writing the
article, people who cry NN on deletion discussions can be pointed to
the "list of notable <foo> without articles", and the aforementioned
writers can simply worry about citations, verifiability, and decent
prose.
People sometimes to say that 'all the easy articles have been
written', but I regularly run across topic areas which are
interesting, notable, but overlooked with tens of thousands of
subjects missing. Geographic places in internet-free zones;
monuments and buildings in Asia and Africa; notable professors and
politicians outside of modern North America and Europe; businesses
that were notable in their day but have since merged or shut down;
notable published works that are out of print; even, as DGG says,
modern notable businesses, or bands and other artists who don't have a
Wikipedia-savvy following.
SJ
David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This article makes my week.
I generally feel we should blank articles more and delete them less,
but this is an area where the explicit rebuff of deletion has its
advantages.
SJ
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Durova <nadezhda.durova(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Excellent piece. Especially the close about how
it's a difficult position
for PR professionals to report to the client that the article was deleted.
-Durova
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:35 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
http://rushprnews.com/2010/03/31/pr-consultants-should-think-twice-before-u…
PR consultants should think twice before using Wikipedia to promote clients
March 31, 2010
Leicestershire, UK (RPRN) 03/31/10 — PR consultants are being advised
to think twice before incorporating Wikipedia entries into campaign
strategies after the site started cracking down on articles submitted
by any public relations agency it considered to be using its resource
to promote clients.
(muwahaha. Spotted by Mathias Schindler. The article sets out en:wp's
rationales and likely actions very well indeed.)
- d.
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