This conversation seems to be getting a little steeped
in "attack"
mode, doesn't it?
That was an honest, legitimate hypothetical question of mine. I
addressed it primarily to Will, and secondarily to everybody. I never
mean to attack anyone. I wouldn't live with my conscious if I had
lived a life like that. If I did unintentionally attack *anyone*, then
I owe an apology to Will and the list that I'm offering now.
So my question at this point in the debate would be to
ask myself
why someone who lives "in a place where there isn't any library for
hours (or days even)" would be overly bothered about verifying
right that second.
I didn't mean to imply that they would be bothered about verifying
references right that second. I was starting to read into this debate
(and maybe it's just me) that every Wikipedian should be bothered
about verifying right that second. I was proven wrong when Will
pointed out that that wasn't his point.
Emily
On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:18 AM, Surreptitiousness wrote:
This conversation seems to be getting a little steeped
in "attack"
mode,
doesn't it? I mean, if we take a step back, do we verify everything
we
read ever period? The fact that you just read this email seems to
suggest no, actually we don't. So my question at this point in the
debate would be to ask myself why someone who lives "in a place where
there isn't any library for hours (or days even)" would be overly
bothered about verifying right that second. Yes, sometimes you just
don;t verify citations. Wikipedia is built up through a kind of trust
net, we're relying on other people to have checked the info out.
Personally I've always taken the stance that we should cite any
source,
with as much detail as possible, and let the reader make the judgement
as to reliability, verifiability and so on. Anyone who accepts
anything
at face value needs shooting, you ask me. I'll let Fred translate
again
if need be. David Mitchell made a similar point a while back in The
Observer.
Emily Monroe wrote:
Will,
If I may ask a question.
What if I live in a place where there isn't any library for hours (or
days even) via whatever transportation I have available?
What if I have a library...but it's under-resourced, under-paid and
there's no way I can really get books or newsletter to help cite
wikipedia?
What would I do then? Do I just not verify citations?
Emily
On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:11 PM, WJhonson(a)aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/9/2009 6:40:56 PM Pacific
Daylight Time,
dan(a)tobias.name writes:
So if I wanted to cite some rare book which I
happened to know of
only one copy in existence, located at the Amundsen-Scott South
Pole
Station in Antarctica, it would be up to you to arrange travel
there
to check it.>>
-------------------------
Items of this level of rarity fail our test that the item is
publicly
accessible. We never really set where the bar should be, but we all
seemed to
agree (at the time) that an item should be generally available in
some way.
It's too onorous to require a random editor to have to verify
something
against a single copy.
By the way, you would think that if something this rare were really
worth
citing, that it would have already been published in a scholarly
edition.
Your example is a bit eccentric, I wonder if you have an actual case
in mind.
Will Johnson
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