Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:43:14 +0800
From: <ultrablue(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Recent goings-on
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Message-ID: <a4a707705053100431977d076(a)mail.gmail.com>
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On 5/31/05, A Nony Mouse
<tempforcomments(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> By the time I got to the discussion, it was a good series of emails
long,
> and despite the number of list members who had
posted, none save
SlimVirgin
> had bothered to address Enviroknot's concerns
on the block in any way.
> SlimVirgin herself made a bad judgement call. An edit made in good
faith
> should never be considered a reversion, even if it
contains some
content
> that is included in a later reversion.
The 3RR provides an electric-fence against continuing
revert wars.
Most of the administrators who enforce the 3RR (and even the
[[WP:AN/3RR]] page) request that as little circumstantial information
be provided. Good faith or bad faith does not come into whether a user
has violated the rule. Your interpretation of the meaning of
"reversion" is not the one accepted in the Wikipedia community. There
are simple reverts and complex reverts (where something is
surreptitiously sneaked back into an article). Every reversion is a
"good faith" reversion to someone in an article content dispute.
Okay, thanks for clarifying what a "reversion" is.
Do not assume from the silence of users on the concerns
of Enviroknot.
Before I first replied to the list about this situation, I examined
all the relevant diffs, and concluded in my own mind that there is a
clear-cut violation of the 3RR here.
Okay, but you should've explained your reasons beforehand; those reasons
could've saved us much agita!
The 3RR does allow administrators some discretion, such
as the ability
to unblock people where they have shown remorse for breaking the rule.
Enviroknot has not expressed any such remorse, and has not addressed
the allegations of sockpuppetry. Instead, he or she has spammed the
mailing list and attacked Wikipedia Administrators as a whole. Had
Enviroknot come up with a good explanation for sharing IPs with other
users, expressed some sort of remorse for breaking a very basic rule
and agreed to work collaboratively on the relevant article's talk page
to reach consensus, I have little doubt the ban would have been
happily lifted by a number of administrators.
~Mark Ryan
Agreed. Here is someone who has clear, thought-out, and well-displayed
(now, anyway) reasons for blocking Enviroknot. Anyone who wants to counter
those reasons should go ahead and do so this is what debate is all about,
folks.