On 11/27/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG
<guy.chapman(a)spamcop.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:42:44 -0500, "Alec
Conroy"
<alecmconroy(a)gmail.com> wrote:
So, for anyone who doesn't know, it's now
come out that there was
basically a citizens "militia" of sorts that created secret mailing
lists where they coordinated their actions and presented secret
evidence against those suspected of being affiliated with a BADSITE.
Absolute, pure, unmitigated bullshit.
Dude-- that's already been admitted to. The list WAS secret--
Durova's email admits that. The list DID involve secret evidence
against !!, we know that. The list WAS made to help people coordinate
their efforts to manage harassment-- you just told me that yourself.
I'm not alleging anything hasn't been revealed already.
This is a list that includes arbitrators and
Jimbo and exists for
the sole expressed purpose of helping people to better manage
harassment.
If the two lists were so clear-cut appropriate, why were their
existence such a closely guarded secret?
If it was totally above board, why wasn't the ENTIRE arbcom included
in the list-- why only send "secret evidence" to some arbiters,
rather than others, if not to 'stack the deck'?
If this behavior was so appropriate, why did the RFC against Durova go
so badly? Is the community's opinion just not valid? Has an ARMY of
ED trolls descended on the encyclopedia, posed for years at a time as
regular users, just so they could wait for an RFC against Durova to
magically cast off their loyal-wikipedian persona and criticize her
behavior in using the secret evidence on the secret list?
You have been told this before, and yet you still
posted this
egregious trolling. Way to go, Alec.
Thanks Guy-- I always know I can count on you to go personal attack.
Alec
If I may, I know that this topic has caused a lot of drama. Alec's
concerns are
to some extent valid. In this particular case I disagree strongly with them in
so far as off-wiki communication is a standard thing and is often necessary
when dealing with determined disruption. However, his position should not by
any means be dismissed as trolling. Disagreeing with someone doesn't make it
trolling.
Now as I see it. A bad block was made. Admins make bad blocks all the time.
There was a private list involved but that was incidental. The block was
overturned and then there was way too much drama over the matter. We have an
encyclopedia to edit. Can we go back to that now? Please?