> In that context, we not even have a content ArbCom filled with open
> minded academics and related experts who actually know how to deal with
> content disputes, it is conduct based one; maybe we should start a
> separate thread about that, because I have some ideas about that.
>
> Kim
Yes, new thread please for that. Charles
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> From: Phil Sandifer <Snowspinner(a)gmail.com>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2006, at 10:00 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>> Perhaps the slogan should be "verified truth" or "verifiable
>> truth." This
>> puts them both on an equal plane and requires both.
>
> I was thinking of something like "truth is ensured by verifiability,"
> actually.
>
> -Phil
Verifiable sources do not ensure truth. (It's not clear to me that
there's any way to ensure truth... you know, observer A says it's a
wave, observer B says it's a particle... blind men... elephant... etc.)
What verifiable sources do is to enable the reader to _make a
judgement_ of the probable truth of the fact.
That's why it's much more important to have _a_ source, _any_ source,
than to have a reliable source. As long as there's some kind of
source _the reader can judge its reliability._ Of course, the better
the source, the more readers will judge that the fact is probably
accurate, so the more reliable the source, the better.
Sanger has made his first post to the Citizendium list:
https://lists.purdue.edu/pipermail/citizendium-l/2006-September/000000.html
Select quotes and a bit of commentary:
"I have a suggestion from someone very high up in the Creative Commons
organization that we should dual-license (CC and GFDL), which I simply
hadn't thought of. I'm inclined to think it's a good idea."
I'd like to know how that would be compatible with working from
Wikipedia content.
"Speaking of naysayers, sure there have been a few on the blogosphere,
but what was especially striking to me is that Wikimedia's lawyer and
chief engineer both have said nothing but encouraging things to us.
How wonderfully refreshing of them! And huge numbers of people on
Slashdot and elsewhere have come out saying that this is a good idea,
and that we have every right to do it."
Well, of course! That's what the "free content" bit is for, and I'm
interested in seeing how well this one works. I'd actually like to see
more projects coming from people who want to differ on some
fundamental point; Wikinfo is perhaps the best go at this so far.
"Personally, "Citizendium" rolls right off my tongue."
OK, that part I find hard to believe. :-)
-Kat
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Kim van der Linde wrote
> What is nicer than to
> work with some experts in that field to create good quality articles.
Before I even came to WP, in 2003, I had spent a year intensively (as it seemed at the time) editing another wiki (Sensei's Library, the go wiki). That has some special features, in particular that the centre of real expertise in the world is not at all anglophone. Still, although I edit there now, the experience left me with a distruct of quasi-wiki structures. (I even wrote a Meatball Wiki page about the set-up.)
Basically in go you have a grade, and the editor with the lower grade should defer. But it turns out that this is too static a system to really be satisfactory: not enough hard editing goes on. That wiki is dominated, to this day, by thread-mode discussion, and has never made it to 'encyclopedic' as understood at WP. There is plenty of good stuff, but the whole place is _insufficiently_ ruthless in hacking it about.
I do prefer WP, vexing though it may be. I bring this all up because if good manners were all there was to it, Sensei's Library would be a shining example.
Charles
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From: DannyDyer.com <info(a)dannydyer.com>
Date: 16-Sep-2006 18:05
Subject: Blocking issue
To: wp(a)davidgerard.co.uk
Dear Sir,
I am the editor of Danny Dyer's official website and he has advised me about
some serious errors on his listing. I have tried creating an account so I
can amend the listing but for some reason it states that my IP address
(82.37.50.138)) has been blocked for misuse.
Please can you explain how this can be blocked as the computer with this IP
address has never been used to access Wikimedia and as Danny's editor I
should be able to remove any offending material on his Wikimedia listing.
I would appreciate it if you could please let me know how I can create an
account using my current computer and IP address.
Regards
Chris Andrews
Editor
info(a)dannydyer.com
www.dannydyer.com
the official web site.
"David Gerard" write
> Citizendium will, I suspect, need to attract people who belileve in
> the project and want to help it however they can and do the *really
> boring bits*.
Correct. First-mover advantage can run out.
WP, however, started in a low key way and grown very largely by word-of-mouth up to Siegenthaler. It has not only a 'community', in the sort of nomadic sense you get on the Net, but a bunch of very many people who have an understanding of Community. As in what the job requires in the way of division of labour, and what being a single household also requires. That group is not so easily cherry-picked away by another site, just by offering improvements in working conditions.
We'll see. [[Digital Universe]] says it has 100 articles by now - is that reliable information?
Charles
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Kim van der Linde wrote
> There is no need for a project of equal quality,
> there is a need for a project of higher quality.
Right. So we can link to it and learn from it.
Charles
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On 9/18/06, Kat Walsh <mindspillage at gmail.com> wrote: > "I have a suggestion from someone very high up in the Creative Commons > organization that we should dual-license (CC and GFDL), which I simply > hadn't thought of. I'm inclined to think it's a good idea." > > I'd like to know how that would be compatible with working from > Wikipedia content.
I can only assume it would mean they'd have to accept a mix of dual-licensed and GFDL-only articles for the foreseeable future, the same as if Wikipedia were to implement a switch to dual-licensing.
All material imported from Wikipedia would be labelled GFDL-only by default, and all new articles would be required to be dual-licensed. Imported material could be switched to a "dual-license" label if someone on their side confirms that the relevant Wikipedia editors have actually released it under CC or public domain.
The main downside of this process, seems to me, would be that one wouldn't be able to freely lift text from one article to another within the same wiki; you'd always have to check if the licenses match. Note that lifting text like this technically causes copyright problems already on Wikipedia, unless one is careful to provide authorship information.
-Nat Krause
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The current naming policy for less-known placenames (those with no
name in English) is to use the spelling in the language of the country
where the place is located.
Now there's a problem with unrecognized countries: i.e. countries
which declared their independence, but which are not recognized internationally.
I have an example in Transnistria:
The town of Malaiesti (population ~5000) is officially in Moldova, but
practically, it is under Transnistrian control.
Which spelling should be used for its article name? The Romanian/Moldovan spelling
(Malaiesti) or the Russian speling (Malayeshty)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayeshty