"There is no need to be scared. If they vandalise your articles, they will
bhe reverted. If necessary the pages will be protected. But if you are still
worried, send the details to me and I'll take the necessary action. I aint
scared of nobody." - Theresa
Thanks very much for the offer. Angela has beaten you to it and I've sent
her the details.
I thought, after I sent my message, somebody would pick my up on the phrase
'my articles'. Thanks, everybody, for not leaping on me for the use of such
heretic terminology.
I suppose I should say "articles I have a particular investment in" -
although even that has a secondary meaning that leans towards the
commercial.
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User is blocked
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by
Silsor. The reason given is this:
insane
Mark Richards wrote:
> If the troll vandalises, ban him immediately. If
not,
> don't feed him.
But how to "not feed" him? Let him have his way with
an article?
Shall we allow Paul Vogel to have his way and post
articles advocating
for Cosmotheism and White Separatism?
--Jimbo
Now I am both a "troll" and "insame"?
because I have posted NPOV articles
for my own religion of Cosmotheism
and NPOV articles on the "unfashionable"
politics of "White Separatism"?
What nonsense!
Obviously, there is a Social-Marxist and
Jewish-Zionist "political bias" within Wikipedia
and not the least of which is shared by Jimbo and
this "censorship" and "banning" and "blocking" of
me by this ilk or cabal was solid proof of it for
any doubters.
If you are wondering why there are so many "vandals"
and "trolls", you really should first go take a good
long look in the mirror, and see that only your own
typical political bigotry and double-standards have
and biased censorship has created many if not most of
them.
Good luck!!!!
Best regards,
Paul Vogel
http://www.cosmotheism.net
and bias
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Any worry belongs to the list :-)
It is not entirely clear to me, whether the user in question is editing under IP, or is registered under a name.
If he is editing under ip, you can't be sure the same person has done the good edits and the bad edits. Perhaps is it an ip used by several different persons. In the this case, we can't really block the ip number, so I would recommand that you just revert the vandalism, perhaps put a comment on the user ip page (if you are on the site at the same time of him), and put a comment on the talk page if he is vandalising the same page over and over. If he is only vandalising the same page, just ask a sysop to temporarily protect it (some people do have a liking in one page sometimes, and focus on adding stupid things only to this one), or possibly to block the ip temporarily so that the user knows he is not going unnoticed.
Now, if the person is a user (with a user page, even an empty one), be bold. Edit his user page, or his talk page, and tell him firmly what you think about what he is doing. Think about using humour as well. Suggest that he participates to the same articles than you. Leave him a message everyday or so. Show him you pay attention to him. But gently. Encourage good edits and firmly revert the bad ones (without agressivity).
Consider this.
Either the guy is just a vandal, trying to hide his vandalism under a couple of good edits. Then, if you stay polite, perhaps even friendly to him, he may either go full vandalism entirely (and he will be banned quite easily) or just give up when he sees his vandalism is firmly removed each time. He may even leave quietly Wikipedia if no one goes into agressing him badly, because he will see that his vandalism is not really funny and not making people strongly react.
Or the guy is rather a good guy, perhaps a kid, testing the system, having a bit of fun, or trying to ask for a bit of attention. Chances is then, that if you pay attention to him, if you try to direct him on providing good contributions, if you praise him, he will feel better than when just testing the system. And he will stop doing the little vandalism. And you will have gain a new contributor :-)
The second situation sounds nicer. I would rather try that first. Don't show you are irritated. And don't show you are scared by him. There is no reason you would be victimised for talking firmly to him. If he reacts by attacking your contributions, then seek for help from other people, but try first giving him a chance. And try to do it yourself. If that works, you will feel great, that is worth it :-)
And if you unfortunately find yourself in the sh** as you say, well, come over to mediation committee page, and I'll offer you a cup of tea :-)
Anthere
-----Original Message-----
From: Bod NotBod [mailto:bodnotbod@hotmail.com]
Sent: 07 May 2004 02:50
To: wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] three revert rule and quickpolls
"Yes, I know it is. So you're saying it takes four months for an anon IP
vandal to get blocked?"
Hello,
New list member and only joined Wikipedia a week ago.
I've got the details of a user who, amidst making useful edits, has
committed 15 acts of vandlism over a period of two weeks. I have every
reason to believe that if the user knows I am thinking of going public with
that info he will attack my articles.
Obviously I'm not keen for that to happen. On the other hand I realise that
things need to be open.
The user does not have a page, so I assume they have no warnings? I am
reluctant to *start* a user page for them as I feel I will be victimised
should I do so. And I feel without previous warnings, from what I've picked
up over the last week, they won't be blocked, and I'll be in the sh**.
All the acts (save one) involve the insertion of 'joke' material into
articles. So, there is no question of newbie accidents or oversights.
Would appreciate advice.
I have links directly to the pages where the vandalism has happened with
comparison to the previous version, so it's all extremely easy to follow.
Apologies if this doesn't belong on this mailing list - but I noticed you
were discussing trolls, so figured I'd jump in.
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There is no need to be scared. If they vandalise your articles, they will bhe reverted. If necessary the pages will be protected. But if you are still worried, send the details to me and I'll take the necessary action. I aint scared of nobody.
Theresa
-----Original Message-----
From: Bod NotBod [mailto:bodnotbod@hotmail.com]
Sent: 07 May 2004 02:50
To: wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] three revert rule and quickpolls
"Yes, I know it is. So you're saying it takes four months for an anon IP
vandal to get blocked?"
Hello,
New list member and only joined Wikipedia a week ago.
I've got the details of a user who, amidst making useful edits, has
committed 15 acts of vandlism over a period of two weeks. I have every
reason to believe that if the user knows I am thinking of going public with
that info he will attack my articles.
Obviously I'm not keen for that to happen. On the other hand I realise that
things need to be open.
The user does not have a page, so I assume they have no warnings? I am
reluctant to *start* a user page for them as I feel I will be victimised
should I do so. And I feel without previous warnings, from what I've picked
up over the last week, they won't be blocked, and I'll be in the sh**.
All the acts (save one) involve the insertion of 'joke' material into
articles. So, there is no question of newbie accidents or oversights.
Would appreciate advice.
I have links directly to the pages where the vandalism has happened with
comparison to the previous version, so it's all extremely easy to follow.
Apologies if this doesn't belong on this mailing list - but I noticed you
were discussing trolls, so figured I'd jump in.
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"Yes, I know it is. So you're saying it takes four months for an anon IP
vandal to get blocked?"
Hello,
New list member and only joined Wikipedia a week ago.
I've got the details of a user who, amidst making useful edits, has
committed 15 acts of vandlism over a period of two weeks. I have every
reason to believe that if the user knows I am thinking of going public with
that info he will attack my articles.
Obviously I'm not keen for that to happen. On the other hand I realise that
things need to be open.
The user does not have a page, so I assume they have no warnings? I am
reluctant to *start* a user page for them as I feel I will be victimised
should I do so. And I feel without previous warnings, from what I've picked
up over the last week, they won't be blocked, and I'll be in the sh**.
All the acts (save one) involve the insertion of 'joke' material into
articles. So, there is no question of newbie accidents or oversights.
Would appreciate advice.
I have links directly to the pages where the vandalism has happened with
comparison to the previous version, so it's all extremely easy to follow.
Apologies if this doesn't belong on this mailing list - but I noticed you
were discussing trolls, so figured I'd jump in.
Bodnotbod
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"As a gesture of goodwill, Wik has removed the lists from his page that people found offensive."
It's good to see it go.
On a similar token, I would like to see the 'hate list'
on netesq's user page removed. It's been there for 1.5
years, and netesq himself seems to have moved on.
Hopefully one certain sysop now has some idea of what
I've been through after having his name put on wiki's page. He declined to have it removed on a previous occasion.
If the practice of using user pages to attack other
users could be banned, that would be VERY good indeed. Plenty of people have had a taste of it now thanks to
wik and I'm sure that they found it unpleasant.
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How much strain on the server does a long watchlist cause? If limiting a
watchlist to 100 entries would reduce my average WikiWait time from 5
seconds to 4 seconds, I would be in favor of such a limit.
My two biggest time-wasters at Wikipedia are:
*trolls and other fools
*the 5-second-or-more time lage
Ed Poor
Paul Vogel wrote:
> <snip 323 lines of ranting>
After reading that, I, for one, find it not in the slightest bit odd
that you were banned for being "insane". Have a nice day!
Cheers!
David...
A response to posts of a most conniving and pernicious
nature:
[[Psychological projection]]!-PV
To those who are not very interested in the matters
being debated, excuse my verbosity, but sometimes no
amount of words are adequate to convey the irritation
we can feel at some forms of behaviour, and yet we
must vent our outrage with some form of expression.
Sometimes a rant is well deserved response to some
forms of extreme arrogance, presumption, and forces at
work for sheer EVIL.
Sheer EVIL is SELFISHLY SUBJECTIVE and EGOTISTICAL
EGOISM, ie. MOBY etc, and "ilk".-PV
To anyone who is reasonable: I am intent on erasing
MUCH but not all of the asinine idiocy that a certain
individual has seen fit to post on my talk page,
perhaps thinking I might provide a place of safe haven
for posting MANY of his extremely warped views.
"What "extremely warped views" are you talking about,
MOBY, now that I have been again "falsely banned" for
this reason: "insane"?
It remains in the database record if you are
masochistic or deranged enough to want to try to read
through all of it. If a person is so paranoid,
unsocial, anti-social, pig-headed, obnoxious, rude and
just plain stupid that they don't even try to
establish and maintain their own user page among
decent human beings, or behave in a manner that even
attempts to acknowledge or accommodate the rights of
others beyond those that are imposed by their own
selfish and bigoted interests, I am certainly not
going to let them take over my talk page to post all
the extremely insulting and spiritually retarded
nonsense they are inclined to post that they can't get
away with posting elsewhere.
[[Psychological projection]]!-PV
I'm sure there are probably worse and more obnoxious
fools in existence, but thus far I have encountered no
one on the Wikipedia, or on the entire web for that
matter, who more exhibits the severe signs of the
narcissism that this person is so fond of accusing
others of exhibiting.
Moby and "ilk" see only what they want to "see", and
no more and no less.
[[Psychological projection]]!-PV
Some people seem to have their heads so far up their
own fundaments that it is a wonder that they can see
anything at all. It doesn't take a "Kangaroo Court" to
recognize a pile of manure.
Ad hominem personal attacks, after my being banned,
how sweet! How typical! How very "Malignantly
Narcissistic" of Moby! LOL! :D
[[Psychological projection]]!-PV
To PV, whose addiction to rants of Pathetic Vitriol
against others is truly alarming; to whom anyone who
does not agree with him is regarded as a "Marxist"or
"Zionist" agent or dupe, or else a "malignant
narcissist": "Narcissistic" does not even begin to
convey your absurd infatuation with yourself, and your
extremely deficient ability to respond to others in
civil and sincerely respectful ways.
More [[Psychological projection]]! LOL! :D-PV
There is a great deal of calm, restrained advice that
certain professionals might be able to give you, that
I doubt you would seek, but I will indulge in a little
venting of my own irritation with you, without
indulging in some of the profanity that can come very
easily to mind: GROW UP, YOU PALTRY MISERABLE WRETCHED
WASTER OF OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME AND LIFE AND ATTENTION.
More [[Psychological projection]]! LOL! :D-PV
Why don't you actually try reading something by some
of the great ethical and mystical philosophers of
history instead of trying to imply or claim they would
all eagerly embrace the grandiose pettiness and absurd
enshrinement of paltry bigotry that you seem to think
is a path to eternal grandeur and "Godhood".
More [[Psychological projection]]! LOL! :D
I have actually done so, and "arete'" or "excellence"
or "quality" is the actual path towards "Godhood" as
is "Personal Integrity", or "intellectual honesty and
moral courage" and of which both you and which your
"Pathetic Vitriol" of own "ilk" have clearly and often
here demonstrated actually have none-PV
I will now quote an article on your "hero", "Dr."
Pierce:
"All of the homosexuals, racemixers, and hard-case
collaborators in the country who are too far gone to
be re-educated can be rounded up, packed into 10,000
or so railroad cattle cars, and eventually
double-timed into an abandoned coal mine in a few
days' time," he wrote in a 1994 newsletter. "All of
these people simply don't count, except as a mass of
voters. . . . Those who speak against us now should be
looked at as dead men, as men marching in lockstep
toward their own graves." Like others on the far
right, he held Jews, not blacks or gays, to be the
main target. He had a special thing for race-mixing
women, whom he pictured in The Turner Diaries hanging
by the neck from telephone poles with their eyes
bugged out. - Village Voice article
The wages of such "sin", ie. "race treason", are
death.-HOLY BIBLE, and there are actually many many
more "genocidal" and "murderous" so-called "Jewish
Heros" to be found therein.-PV
I suspect the source will imply to PV that I am
definitely a "Pinko" of some sorts (but just speaking
against his views usually suffices there) but it just
happens to be the top hit I got when I entered
"Pierce", "Hitler", and "nazi" into a google search.
Not so much any "Pinko" as just being "brain-washed"
and quite "ignorant" of the WHOLE TRUTHS of REALITY.
-PV
I will quote a certain individual that Pierce, and you
and your "ilk" seem to have a great deal of admiration
for, and then a few people who were executed during
his brief but bloody reign.
Yawn. Get out the world's smallest violin.-PV
We have to put a stop to the idea that is a part of
everybody's civil rights to say whatever he pleases. -
Indeed. Freedom of Speech is for only your own "ilk",
right?-PV
Adolf Hitler, from a conversation transcribed on
Februatry 22, 1942 Luckily for you, most people who
disagree with you don't go so far as these "great
heroes" of the "National Alliance" in seeking to
silence you, though you certainly can sometimes make
the idea seem appealing.
Right.
Anyone can take a text or conversation "out of
context" for "lying and slanderous propaganda"
purposes or reasons and twist it, as happened
to me and by your own "ilk" during arbitration.-PV
A few others from Mein Kampf that I do think go a long
way to explaining your own behaviour, and apparent
ideas:
No amount of genius spent on the creation of
propaganda will lead to success if a fundamental
principle is not forever kept in mind. Propaganda must
confine itself to very few points, and repeat them
endlessly. Here, as with so many things in this world,
persistence is the first and foremost condition of
success.
Indeed, like the clearly "false" proposition and
assertion that "ALL men are created equal", etc. ad
nauseum and ad infinitum, and all of the rest of the
other "Marxist-PC lying and hypocritical propaganda".
-PV
The application of force alone, without moral support
based on a spiritual concept, can never bring about
the destruction of an idea or arrest the propagation
of it, unless one is ready and able ruthlessly to
exterminate the last upholders of that idea even to a
man, and also wipe out any tradition which it may tend
to leave behind.
Exactly. You are trying to exterminate an "idea", ie.
COSMOTHEISM, or "White separatism" by destroying the
race first via miscegenation and lying propaganda.-PV
Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual
base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the
stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook.
"Fanatical" to and for "upholding" the moral and
"spiritual truths" that support it, yes.-PV
In the big lie there is always a certain force of
credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are
always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of
their emotional nature than consciously or
voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of
their minds they more readily fall victims to the big
lie than the small lie.
True. Put in the correct context, Hitler was actually
talking about the current Jewish-Marxist propaganda
techniques of his time, which hasn't changed much at
all. "The official party-line story of the 6 Million
Jews exterminated in the Nazi Holocaust" being a very
clear example of this "Big lie" technique that has
worked.-PV
And finally another quote of Hitler's:
I have not come into this world to make men better,
but to make use of their weaknesses.
Do cite this in the correct "context", please, and
provide the page number and show where this is to be
found?-PV
It is appalling that there remains so many weak-souled
and weak-minded individuals as can still consider this
depraved abomination a hero, and I will now quote from
some leaflets of a few who died opposing him , who
belonged to the German group known as The White Rose:
[6]
Actually, the truely "weak-minded" and "weak-souls"
rabble are mostly to be found on the
Social-Marxist-Left!-PV
It is impossible to engage in intellectual discourse
with National Socialist Philosophy, for if there were
such an entity, one would have to try by means of
analysis and discussion either to prove its validity
or to combat it.
On the contrary, the "irrationality" is not so much on
the part of any "National Socialist Philosophy" as it
is in the almost complete lack of any actual personal
integrity, intellectual honesty, nor moral courage, on
the part of its so-called detractors.-PV
In actuality, however, we face a totally different
situation. At it's very inception this movement
depended on the deception and betrayal of one's fellow
man; even at that time it was inwardly corrupt and
could support itself only by constant lies.
That really sounds much more like the lying Mass Media
controlled and so-called Democratic "political
systems" of today than anything else.-PV
In the next passage I will concede that they go a bit
too far in their own rhetoric, for I do not accept
that every word out of his mouth was a lie� but I do
not doubt that most were spoken by a man deranged, and
very much inclined to lie to others, and even to
himself about the nature of reality, historical
circumstances and his own personal fate.
Nonsense.
It is clear just who or whom are the real "Masters"
and "People of the Lie", actually are and have been
for thousands of years.
Obviously, you do not know factual history very well
do you?-PV
Every word that comes from Hitler's mouth is a lie.
When he says peace, he means war, and when he
blasphemously uses the name of the Almighty, he means
the power of evil, the fallen angel, Satan. His mouth
is the foul-smelling maw of Hell, and his might is at
bottom accursed. True, we must conduct a struggle
against the National Socialist terrorist state with
rational means; but whoever today still doublts the
reality, the existence of demonic powers, has failed
by a wide margin to understand the metaphysical
background of this war.
More patent nonsense.
It is clear just who or whom are the real "Masters"
and "People of the Lie", actually are and have been
for thousands of years.
Obviously, you do not know factual history very well
do you?-PV
I am posting this on my talk page, and might post it
in a few other spots where I and others have attempted
dialog with you, only to have our statements butchered
up into convenient little bits that your plainly small
mind can attempt to digest and respond to, and do not
expect that it will be spared from the same treatment.
On the contrary, your elephant of disinformation and
lying and hypocritical propaganda is so very huge,
that the only way to properly address it is just one
small bite at a time.-PV
Except that on my talk page I can certainly insist on
maintaining it intact.
Who cares if it is "intact" or not, what actually
matters is if it is "true" or not, which it isn't.-PV
Despite the loathsomeness of your attitudes and
behaviour, I don't wish any ill fate befalls you,
indeed I hope that lucidity can eventually arrive into
your mixed up mind, and I truly hope you evolve to the
decent human being level sometime soon: I assure you,
with great confidence: YOU ARE CERTAINLY A VERY LONG
WAY FROM GODHOOD. - Moby 17:09, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
LOL! :D
That was really a most amusing example of typical
[[psychological projection]].
My mind is actually quite clear, thank you, and I do
recognize that HUMANITY as a WHOLE has a extremely
long way to go to achieve GODHOOD or the OMEGA POINT
of TdC. That is ONLY if such "muddled" and "Social
Marxist-PC thinking" and any such clearly false
delusions and "false identities" of our own people are
not finally cleaned-up and once and for all.-PV
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