Hola,
I registered to the mailing list and I am pleased to see lot of
collaboration-discussion.
BUT: WHY A MAILING LIST?
I am an entrepreneur and to build-followup a project we never ever use a
mailing-list.
You are all Wikipedia early adopters so pls USE A WIKI to discuss and
process this Wikidata project!
Twenty or more mails per day about this project is not manageable and
useless (how do you organize the different questions and ideas? )
Thx for your time
Isabelle Ayel
Tel/Fax: +34 976 088 566
Email: isabelle.ayel(a)gmail.com
My blogs:
isayel.net | pouce-café <http://zfr.posterous.com> | zaragoza día
día <http://zaragozadiadia.posterous.com>
Networking with: <http://www.facebook.com/isayel?ref=name>
Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/isayel?ref=name>
<http://twitter.com/nanouk> Twitter <http://twitter.com/nanouk>
<https://plus.google.com/111878932945338226153> Google
Plus<https://plus.google.com/111878932945338226153>
<http://es.linkedin.com/in/isabelleayel>
LinkedIn<http://es.linkedin.com/in/isabelleayel>
Contact me: [image: Google Talk] isabelle.ayel [image: Skype] aspmaetb
[image: Twitter] <http://twitter.com/nanouk> Latest tweet: #Zaragoza
Domingo de Ramos, tambores y bombos #semanasanta voy a San Gayetano, nos
vemos (estaré sentada @carlosgutierrez
Follow @nanouk <http://twitter.com/nanouk> Reply
<http://twitter.com/?status=@nanouk%20&in_reply_to_status_id=186416129869221900&in_reply_to=nanouk>
Retweet
<http://twitter.com/?status=RT%20%40nanouk%3A%20%23Zaragoza%20Domingo%20de%20Ramos%2C%20tambores%20y%20bombos%20%23semanasanta%20%20voy%20a%20San%20Gayetano%2C%20nos%20vemos%20(estar%C3%A9%20sentada%20%40carlosgutierrez>
13:34
Apr-01<http://twitter.com/nanouk/statuses/186416129869221888>
Get this email app!
<http://www.wisestamp.com/apps/twitter?utm_source=extension&utm_medium=email&utm_term=twitter&utm_campaign=apps>
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:47, Oren Bochman <orenbochman(a)gmail.com> wrote:
There is lots of excitement but I think that many of
these discussions are
missing the social aspects of this project and leading to many
counterproductive suggestions (or atleast unrealistic use cases).****
** **
Creating a centralizing repository for Wikipdias data is both a social and
technically challenge. It would contradict Information Architecture
requirements to aggregate external data that is not immediately used in WMF
projects. Doing so will quickly increase human workload (our most
significant resource). Humans edit check and code… ****
** **
WikiData’s mandate appears to e to improve en.Wikipedia (and then the
other WMF projects). Producing a component that pushes data into Wikipedia
will fail very quickly if the community norms are not catered for.
En.Wikipedia has the most complex ones.****
** **
Notability criteria filters out lots of “spam/noise” external stake
holders would put into WMF project. What you call encyclopedic is too
imprecise. It would be easy to import all MuzicBrains + AllMovie guide
entries as WikiData – but it would not make Wikipedia a better
encyclopedia/information source to read/edit if we had a page for each
record in those databases. ****
** **
IMHO what editors would like is a quick and easy way to import and share
such data amongst projects once it has been found Notable – but also be
able to use per project versions. (English and Arabic Wikipedia info boxes
name different cities as the capital of Israel).****
** **
**1. **Each project has its own criteria of Notability, since it
requires its own noise filter.****
**2. **Wiktionary’s is just as difficult as Wikipedia.****
** **
I suggest that newcomers try to study about how Wikipedia works so that
we can have a more productive dialogue and WikiData will be accepted.****
** **
Oren Bochman****
** **
MediaWiki Search Developer.****
** **
** **
*From:* wikidata-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
wikidata-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *emijrp
*Sent:* Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:24 AM
*To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project.
*Subject:* Re: [Wikidata-l] Notability in Wikidata****
** **
2012/3/31 John Burger <john(a)jolelira.net>****
On Mar 31, 2012, at 15:22, emijrp <emijrp(a)gmail.com> wrote:i all;****
I'm thinking about notability in Wikidata and how it may conflict with
Wikipedia current policies and community conceptions. Will Wikidata allow
to create entities for small villages, asteroids, galaxies, stars, species,
etc, that are not allowed today at Wikipedia? Including about those that
don't have article in any Wikipedia?****
Are you referring to the English Wikipedia's notability guidelines? I
don't see why they would apply here, just as they don't apply to the
English Wiktionary or the German Wikipedia. As far as I know, every
Wikimedia project comes up with it's own guidelines. Are there any
Wikimedia-wide guidelines?****
There is no Wikipedia-wide guidelines about notability, just that content
must be "encyclopedic".****
** **
** **
On the other hand, as I understand it, Phase 1 of Wikidata is mostly about
cataloging the union of all the Wikipedias, so if a concept is missing from
=every= Wikipedia, I wonder if it will make the cut for Phase 1.****
** **
I mean Phase 2, where entities will be created. Can we create entities for
10,000,000 stars (using free data from observatories) that won't have own
Wikipedia article in the foreseeable future, but would be useful to create
"List of stars..." pages in Phase 3?****
** **
** **
- John Burger****
_______________________________________________
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l****
** **
_______________________________________________
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l