Isn't Magnus Manske's game tagging the edit
with "Widar"? I do not see
that for, for instance, the user Hê de tekhnê makrê.
I must say, being a wannabe bioinformatician, that the gene/protein data
in Wikidata can be confusing. Take
which had a merging problem (that I have tried to resolve).
Even before merging
this
human gene had three gene products "cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor 2A",
"P14ARF" (which to me looked like a gene symbol, I changed it to p14ARF),
and "Tumor suppressor ARF". One of them is a mouse protein. One of the
others link to
Here the recommended
name is "Tumor suppressor ARF" while alternative names are
"Cyclin-dependent kinase inhibitor 2A" and "p14ARF". To me it seems
that
one gene codes two proteins that can be referred to by the same name.
I hope my edits haven't made more damage than good. Several P1889s would
be nice.
I think, as someone suggested, that adding P1889 and having Wikibase
merging looking at P1889 would be a solution.
/Finn
On 11/10/2015 12:34 AM, Benjamin Good wrote:
Magnus,
We are seeing more and more of these problematic merges. See:
http://tinyurl.com/ovutz5x for the current list of (today 61) problems.
Are these coming from the wikidata game?
All of the editors performing the merges seem to be new and the edit
patterns seem to match the game. I thought the edits were tagged with a
statement about them coming from the game, but I don't see that? If
they are, could you just take genes and proteins out of the 'potential
merge' queue ? I'm guessing that their frequently very similar names
are putting many of them into the list.
We are starting to work on a bot to combat this, but would like to stop
the main source of the damage if its possible to detect it. This is ,
making Wikipedia integration more challenging than it already is...
thanks
-Ben
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Magnus Manske
<magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com <mailto:magnusmanske@googlemail.com>> wrote:
I fear my games may contribute to both problems (merging two items,
and adding a sitelink to the wrong item). Both are facilitated by
identical names/aliases, and sometimes it's hard to tell that a pair
is meant to be different, especially if you don't know about the
intricate structures of the respective knowledge domain.
An item-specific, but somewhat heavy-handed approach would be to
prevent merging of any two items where at least one has P1889, no
matter what it specifically points to. At least, give a warning that
an item is "merge-protected", and require an additional override for
the merge.
If that is acceptable, it would be easy for me to filter all items
with P1889, from the merge game at least.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 8:50 PM Peter F. Patel-Schneider
<pfpschneider(a)gmail.com <mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 10/28/2015 12:08 PM, Tom Morris wrote:
[...]
Going back to Ben's original problem, one
tool that Freebase
used to help
manage the problem of incompatible type merges
was a set of
curated sets of
incompatible types [5] which was used by the
merge tools to
warn users that
the merge they were proposing probably wasn't
a good idea.
People could
ignore the warning in the Freebase
implementation, but
Wikidata could make it
a hard restriction or just a warning.
Tom
I think that this idea is a good one. The incompatibility
information could
be added to classes in the form of "this class is disjoint from
that other
class". Tools would then be able to look for this information
and produce
warnings or even have stronger reactions to proposed merging.
I'm not sure that using P1889 "different from" is going to be
adequate. What
links would be needed? Just between a gene and its protein?
That wouldn't
catch merging a gene and a related protein. Between all genes
and all
proteins? It seems to me that this is better handled at the
class level.
peter
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