Sorry I didn't finish my thought. It's
not that I don't trust other
Wikidata users to add items about Suze Robertson paintings. It is more that
there is just a lot of handwork in such lists (especially the list order).
I think in a list item there should be some way to add a custom-order to
the items to be displayed.
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi let me just weigh in as a "power
user" here. Though I love Wikidata,
I must admit that it didn't even occur to me to put the list builder
function in the main namespace. Since I read that comment yesterday I have
been thinking about how this could be possible. I sort of follow what
Romaine is saying, in that it could be useful to have an extra namespace
for lists. I was also thinking that maybe we could do it another way. Right
now Wikipedia has lists, such as the list of paintings by Suze Robertson. I
happen to know that list is not complete (because I made it). The list
article has a Wikidata item. There should be a way to set up a query so
that any new items coming in will be sent to the editor's watchlist through
the new list function, and then the list-editor can choose to link that
item (or not) to the Wikidata list item. I think a live Wikipedia article
should be linked to a Wikidata list item, not a query result.
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintscher(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
> On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > First I must say I can't speak for the Dutch community, I can only
> try to
> > sense how pages with coding are perceived. Seeing the editwars about
> users
> > from outside the Dutch community adding properties to articles,
> seeing the
> > following discussion, and seeing the general discussion about
> automated
> > lists on nlwiki, I do not think this will happen. Based on this I
> can only
> > draw the conclusion that the community will not accept automated
> lists in
> > the article namespace. Being able to click in the top of the page on
> edit
> > and then edit the page, is perceived as basic value of Wikipedia, an
> > unwritten rule that may not be broken.
> > Having these codes in the article namespace will scare people off.
> >
> > At the same time I personally see some value in automated lists. I
> also
> > noticed in the discussions that if users use these codes in their
> user
> > namespace or in pages of wikiprojects, that it is not so much a
> problem. As
> > I think that automated lists are not allowed in the main namespace,
> while
> > they do have some value, I think it is more likely to create a
> separated
> > namespace for this kind of lists. In that way all pages in the
> article
> > namespace stay editable and at the same time this information is
> available
> > on Wikipedia. A namespace called "List:" or in Dutch:
"Lijst:".
> >
> > I also should mention that the first priority of Wikipedia is not to
> be
> > up-to-date, because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and its nature is
> being
> > running behind. This is the priority and the focus, this does not
> mean it
> > can't be up-to-date.
> >
> > So it matters not so much if the knowledge is or isn't available in
> the
> > Dutch Wikipedia, it does matter for users that all pages in the
> article
> > namespace stay without codes, that these pages stay editable in that
> page
> > itself. And it also matters that linking to other Wikipedias is not
> allowed
> > in pages in the article namespace. While we did not have a voting
> about
> > whether it is allowed to link to Wikidata, but having seen earlier a
> > discussion about linking to Q...'s which was ending in the
> conclusion being
> > not wanted, I think that links in articles to Wikidata items when
> there is
> > no article in Dutch, will not be allowed.
>
> Yeah this is my impression as well of the current status. Let's all
> just give it time. Editors need time to get comfortable with Wikidata.
> The more comfortable they are with using it and the more they trust it
> the more it'll be used. So let's keep building this trust :)
>
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
>
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