Replying all in one.. forgivie me. I might consider allowing uploads, ssh access, and a pop mail account for people willing to spend $60/year for the hosting. Is that unreasonable? Otherwise they could have a wiki with no uploads or ssh access and only an email forwarding account for free. Those limitations would help keep the free accounts from using up all the resources. Also I'd probably put some kind of soft bandwidth and server resource limit that if exceeded I'd have to ask the users to pay for their usage. I can't see the majority of wikis surpassing those limits though. I mainly want to keep people from serving warez or other questionable resource hogging activities off my servers. I also think I'd put some kind of limit on the number of users allowed per each of my servers. Each machine has a limit of 500GB of bandwidth per month so if the wiki users started to exceed about half of that then I'd have to stop allowing new users or migrate some users to different servers. Also any users that asked for a site and then didn't use it I'd probably remove the site. Obviously if someone wanted their own domain, which I'd encourage, they'd either have to buy it and point it at the right server themselves or pay me enough to cover the cost of doing so for them. I would allow a customized wiki if you wanted to pay $5/month for ssh access and you'd handle the installation yourself. Definately. All deals are on the whim of the hosting provider, me, and could be canceled if I felt it was being abused or got hit by a bus or just whatever. The "what's in it for me" angle to giving away free hosting is that I'd hope that some of those using the service or the wikis using the service would buy server space from me for any commercial projects they might have. In other words I'm willing to chip in free hosting as long as I stay in business but if I go broke I won't be able to pay for my nice servers and then there'll be no where for the free sites to be hosted. Luckily it doesn't cost very much for each of my dedicated servers so it'd not take much return business to cover my costs. As long as my costs were getting covered I could keep adding new servers as needed to keep offering hosting space. I'm not sure if I'd want to be involved with large projects as there might be more red tape involved. I don't want anyone second guessing my decisions on my own servers because of project politics. I've offered to sponsor Wikipedia before and the response I got back indicated that they weren't very interested in money or server space unless they completely got their way in everything. Sort of soured me to trying to reach any kind of an agreement with them despite my great appreciation for the project. As such I might consider asking anyone with a free wiki account to put a link somewhere on their site back to me. No ad banner or anything - just a small text link like 'Sponsored by..'. I'd consider making it optional but I'd be doubtful about how much the service was appreciated if that was asking to much in return. So, with that out of the way, anyone that is interested feel free to email me and ask for an account. I'll see about setting up a website advertising this free service and I'd be glad to provide links to anybodies wiki even if it isn't hosted on my servers. Just put 'wiki' in the subject so it won't get sorted as junk. -- Michael <mogmios(a)mlug.missouri.edu> http://kavlon.org